(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[25/900 Canadian] PW[adsum]PB[aguilar1]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2010-10-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: buen juego adsum [5d\]: buen partido ]RE[W+0.50] ;B[qd]BL[5385.538] ;W[nd]WL[5395.591]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: Torneo Argentino, quinta ronda ] ;B[oc]BL[5331.021] ;W[dd]WL[5392.648] ;B[cp]BL[5230.969] ;W[fp]WL[5385.221] ;B[eq]BL[5224.194] ;W[pp]WL[5382.699] ;B[od]BL[5209.356] ;W[ne]WL[5379.44]C[Asum [1k\]: adsum ] ;B[mb]BL[5203.823] ;W[qm]WL[5359.385] ;B[fq]BL[5196.663] ;W[gp]WL[5355.249] ;B[ep]BL[5174.105] ;W[cg]WL[5317.595]C[Arikado [3k?\]: interesting style MitziMo [1d\]: 3 hr game... Khim [-\]: yes, good game ] ;B[nq]BL[4834.826]C[bibifoc50 [6k\]: this is a internet game ? weiqidevil [-\]: should be Francisd [6k\]: ?? Francisd [6k\]: of course xD bibifoc50 [6k\]: not common time :) Francisd [6k\]: it's the argentinian tournament magocbi [5k\]: this is the fith round Trindade [1k\]: tournament weiqidevil [-\]: what is common time? magocbi [5k\]: of argentinian tournament bibifoc50 [6k\]: on internet it is rapid game or blitz generally no ? weiqidevil [-\]: but aguilar1 wrote, that it is a tournament game AvaLauren [4d\]: Allez le bleu Trindade [1k\]: winning strike for aguilar jezebel [5k\]: lol MagRock [14k\]: cuantas rondas son? Francisd [6k\]: 8 magocbi [5k\]: ohhh magocbi [5k\]: cuando es el proximo juego? bibifoc50 [6k\]: it is not very common the kakari on 016 and f4 is it ? jezebel [5k\]: http://www.go.org.ar/ magocbi [5k\]: gracias MagRock [14k\]: entonces son 256 jugadores? Tambor [1k\]: those kakaris let w make tenuki and take another big point, bibifoc ] ;W[mp]WL[5008.03]C[Tambor [1k\]: but not very common, agree aguilar1 [6d\]: perdí la conexión aguilar1 [6d\]: interesante esta jugada adsum [5d\]: una intuicion ^^ ] ;B[np]BL[4812.813]C[N4KED [2d\]: drooping lotus ] ;W[no]WL[4994.353]C[adsum [5d\]: no hay problema bibifoc50 [6k\]: my sensei say that kakari is for handicap game jezebel [5k\]: hay que ver donde la perdio :-p bibifoc50 [6k\]: hane on the head of 2 stones good for W ? Trindade [1k\]: w's style, very interesting ] ;B[mo]BL[4282.922] ;W[lp]WL[4977.076]C[hjhk: leon is hids son? hjhk: his hjhk: aguilar kill [-\]: w has too many groups ] ;B[mn]BL[4192.873]C[kill [-\]: Q2 maybe? casimiro [-\]: jezebel o jesabel? jezebel [5k\]: la prrincesa era jezabel casimiro [-\]: sip, my bad :) ] ;W[oo]WL[4566.789] ;B[pr]BL[4134.277] ;W[qr]WL[4337.261] ;B[lr]BL[3982.332] ;W[kq]WL[4054.825] ;B[kr]BL[3521.368] ;W[iq]WL[3787.619]C[adsum [5d\]: aca me senti bien ] ;B[jr]BL[3475.011]C[Edisson [1k\]: this game is longer than all mines jaja Lenneth [2d?\]: Agentina League? Francisd [6k\]: yes Lenneth [2d?\]: thx Lenneth [2d?\]: aguiliar extremely strong in a slow game as a very experienced player :) NikkolaiH [12k?\]: pensaba que sólo era liga de nacionalidad argentina :P Francisd [6k\]: es torneo argentino Francisd [6k\]: se llama asi NikkolaiH [12k?\]: on-line y presencial o sólo on-line? meuns [1k\]: who is adsum ? Trindade [1k\]: creo que online NikkolaiH [12k?\]: gracias :) Francisd [6k\]: deciden los participantes de cada uno de los partidos ] ;W[kn]WL[3255.173]C[RoundTuit [2k\]: adsum is present NikkolaiH [12k?\]: tea, japanese garden... I love low games Francisd [6k\]: next move? jezebel [5k\]: a black one, sure! MagRock [14k\]: seems like you read shibumi nik RoundTuit [2k\]: no... really? Francisd [6k\]: big one NikkolaiH [12k?\]: Shibumi is my religion :P MagRock [14k\]: :) RoundTuit [2k\]: dreadful book just9x9 [-\]: this is no low game though NikkolaiH just9x9 [-\]: any option besides n8 here? just9x9 [-\]: and btw: what means shibumi? MagRock [14k\]: very complex concept MagRock [14k\]: and simple at the same time MagRock [14k\]: lol just9x9 [-\]: omg NikkolaiH [12k?\]: :) just9x9 [-\]: would you care to enlighten me a bit further? aguilar1 [6d\]: parece que acá quedaste bien ] ;B[qq]BL[2986.784]C[NikkolaiH [12k?\]: I think Shibumi is the light of the fluidity MagRock [14k\]: i was thinking about flow too ] ;W[pq]WL[3219.511] ;B[rr]BL[2984.644] ;W[or]WL[3217.962] ;B[qs]BL[2982.973]C[NikkolaiH [12k?\]: P2 ] ;W[nr]WL[3216.872] ;B[mq]BL[2981.025] ;W[oq]WL[3211.323] ;B[ir]BL[2978.504]C[MagRock [14k\]: for me it's its the opposite of cumbersome NikkolaiH [12k?\]: fast sequence :P ] ;W[rp]WL[3182.984] ;B[rq]BL[2971.44]C[RoundTuit [2k\]: 渋味 / しぶみ/shibumi : n 1)good taste 2)astringency 3)refinement ] (;W[pj]WL[3123.724]C[MagRock [14k\]: yeah but in the context of a go game.... just9x9 [-\]: is it A term related to go or related to life? NikkolaiH [12k?\]: both MagRock [14k\]: both just9x9 [-\]: i see RoundTuit [2k\]: I suspect the author wasn't bothered about that just9x9 [-\]: sth like the korean haengma? MagRock [14k\]: as life is a simplification of go...and blah blah VincentV [?\]: adsum doesn't stand a chance. Aguilar has a second brain hidden in his beard. just9x9 [-\]: hehe NikkolaiH [12k?\]: parecimos almas gemelas, MagRock :P MagRock [14k\]: de donde eres? NikkolaiH [12k?\]: España N4KED [2d\]: que significa amigos de alma? ] ;B[jq]BL[2785.775] ;W[jp]WL[3120.61] ;B[ip]BL[2783.296]C[MagRock [14k\]: amigos del alma es...amigos muy cercanos, o como decimos en Chile...yuntas NikkolaiH [12k?\]: "amigos del alma" es una expresión que significa o equivale a "buenos amigos" N4KED [2d\]: y no hay palabra para soul mate? N4KED [2d\]: es la persona hecho para usted MagRock [14k\]: tu media naranja? jaja NikkolaiH [12k?\]: alma gemela N4KED [2d\]: okay thanks NikkolaiH [12k?\]: no quiere decir que sea de amor. Puede ser otro "tú" en el mundo N4KED [2d\]: oh okay N4KED [2d\]: en ingles so es entre hombre y mujer ] ;W[jo]WL[2956.561]C[MagRock [14k\]: soul mate? N4KED [2d\]: I like yerba mate MagRock [14k\]: i like yerba cannabis just9x9 [-\]: omg N4KED [2d\]: y tambien megusta te de coca just9x9 [-\]: shibumi at its best? ] ;B[qh]BL[2677.753]C[just9x9 [-\]: why not intercept h3 now? ] (;W[qe]WL[2879.591] ;B[pf]BL[2643.686]C[N4KED [2d\]: better just to give j3 but white is losing too much MagRock [14k\]: i think its what they call "small" just9x9 [-\]: well h3 is sente against b bottom, but maybe that IS samll atm N4KED [2d\]: Is this game being played in person? N4KED [2d\]: or online? ] ;W[oh]WL[2784.756]C[Francisd [6k\]: no MagRock [14k\]: online ] ;B[ng]BL[2518.726]C[Francisd [6k\]: nice fight coming rat [3k\]: pure center oriented adsum! Even aguilar agree to follow, invading a corner... ] (;W[qc]WL[2660.13]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta no funcionó bien, no? adsum [5d\]: aca me chispaba la cabeza adsum [5d\]: no ] ;B[rd]BL[2379.079]C[Francisd [6k\]: r17 made black stronger seikenguy [1k\]: Gotta like B here NikkolaiH [12k?\]: O14 W? seikenguy [1k\]: W seems really behind if he can't make anything out of r17 r15 aji N4KED [2d\]: power is important in diagnol games but this is the wrong way I think N4KED [2d\]: moves like f4 are too slow ] ;W[nh]WL[2354.883]C[NikkolaiH [12k?\]: o14 cuts 013-Q14 MagRock [14k\]: what is a slow move? is it like small? ] ;B[mg]BL[2294.825]C[adsum [5d\]: r13 no fue buena ] ;W[qf]WL[2319.34]C[N4KED [2d\]: slow move is a move that requires no response ] ;B[pe]BL[2245.936]C[Bauer [1d\]: hoorible for w MagRock [14k\]: ah thanks adsum [5d\]: r15 aguilar1 [6d\]: acá sentí que había recuperado adsum [5d\]: creo que si ] ;W[li]WL[2218.005] (;B[rj]BL[2206.52]C[xiuce12345: ?? Bauer [1d\]: bravo for b xiuce12345: S10 over play marbemi [3d\]: Can be slow, or small but no over play adsum [5d\]: esa me parecio lenta aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es dudosa ] (;W[hq]WL[2146.72] ;B[hr]BL[2201.908] ;W[fn]WL[2143.074] ;B[kg]BL[2180.504]C[xiuce12345: J16 N4KED [2d\]: white moyo is cramped ] ;W[hc]WL[2087.833]C[N4KED [2d\]: c7 too nice for invasion ] ;B[cc]BL[2153.947]C[xiuce12345: now H17 seems too near N4KED [2d\]: yeah that is the problem N4KED [2d\]: white has big effeciency problems ] ;W[eb]WL[2019.12] ;B[cd]BL[2138.615] ;W[de]WL[2017.123]C[xiuce12345: White want to kill him? Francisd [6k\]: and no corner ] ;B[bf]BL[2107.539] ;W[kd]WL[1985.732] (;B[jh]BL[2098.255]C[xiuce12345: no K11 because of k12 ] ;W[ii]WL[1907.308] ;B[ji]BL[2074.041] ;W[jj]WL[1905.471] ;B[ij]BL[1974.034] ;W[kj]WL[1895.775]C[Bauer [1d\]: b was leadig, that was not necesary ibd [5k\]: does n5 have any aji? kinglao298 [2k?\]: no, just a tomb... simplet [3d\]: not for the moment xiuce12345: throw your sight to the important feld TJman [2k\]: 2 seems to like 2 space jump a lot TJman [2k\]: *w xiuce12345: G15 ] ;B[hj]BL[1590.829] ;W[hi]WL[1850.553] ;B[gi]BL[1585.564] ;W[hh]WL[1833.218] ;B[fj]BL[1567.052] ;W[gh]WL[1677.168]C[kinglao298 [2k?\]: come on, play something, don't keep us waiting... N4KED [2d\]: lol kinglao298 [2k?\]: my spaghetti is getting cold... ] ;B[ke]BL[1478.997] ;W[ld]WL[1651.549] (;B[mh]BL[1395.745]C[just9x9 [-\]: hehe he want p13 in sente kinglao298 [2k?\]: no chance ] ;W[dm]WL[1553.261]C[jamal [1d\]: f12 ] ;B[mi]BL[1365.238]C[just9x9 [-\]: just fury kawari kinglao298 [2k?\]: just fury is even better :) gorilla04 [1k\]: gorilla04 [1k\]: (: gorilla04 [1k\]: n10 Domgo [2k\]: what is the best strategy to exasperate your opponent? gorilla04 [1k\]: the board misses i poirette [1d\]: f12 maybe? Domgo [2k\]: there was never an i kinglao298 [2k?\]: no strategy at all and play slow AroundOneD [2d\]: n10 to try to kill one piece, not 2 Domgo [2k\]: why isn't there an i? Bauer [1d\]: n10 means, b has won poirette [1d\]: or f11 bettter? Domgo [2k\]: because it would look like An L Bauer [1d\]: something like f11 only chance gorilla04 [1k\]: just do I but with the line on top and bottom jamal [1d\]: f11 is very nice Domgo [2k\]: n9 pototo120 [6k\]: or m9 AroundOneD [2d\]: n9 also ok poirette [1d\]: things are going to get dirty anyway Domgo [2k\]: its about time AroundOneD [2d\]: hard to w kinglao298 [2k?\]: I had a fresh shave when this game started, now I look like Bin Laden... just9x9 [-\]: lol AroundOneD [2d\]: imbalanced game for w AroundOneD [2d\]: now gamble to kill Domgo [2k\]: hard to win with just a moyo just9x9 [-\]: aguilar had a fresh shave as well :) AroundOneD [2d\]: right poirette [1d\]: r17, r15 and r14 stones just look so bad Domgo [2k\]: is it right to say that moyo may be gote AroundOneD [2d\]: if b plays n9, b threats 2 small piece govirus [5k\]: anything wrong with N 10 ? ] ;W[ph]WL[1025.863]C[just9x9 [-\]: idk, n10 o10 i suppose AroundOneD [2d\]: n10, b may play f12 AroundOneD [2d\]: because the piece is fine with n10 just9x9 [-\]: w wants to swallow s10 in sente Domgo [2k\]: n10 o10 o11 n9 govirus [5k\]: I don't get Q 12 ... Domgo [2k\]: white is would have been weaker in this situation ] ;B[mk]BL[1281.743]C[jamal [1d\]: no w just wants to strengthen these stones AroundOneD [2d\]: y, w wants to get sente and concentrates to kill other ] ;W[qi]WL[960.903]C[seikenguy [1k\]: This what they call a complicated game Sutekh [8k\]: why r11 and not r 3? Sutekh [8k\]: r13 Domgo [2k\]: for sente jamal [1d\]: r 13 b may be able to live on the side Sutekh [8k\]: so is sente better than to loose r14/15 Sutekh [8k\]: ok just9x9 [-\]: left seems so small actually, i would tenuki here as b pototo120 [6k\]: k8 or l8 just9x9 [-\]: right sry AroundOneD [2d\]: r13 Domgo [2k\]: white may think about a cut Domgo [2k\]: r13 q13 s14 p14 Higanbana [?\]: might be good to extend g11? AroundOneD [2d\]: s11 for q13 chudu [8k\]: s11 for r13 chudu [8k\]: ??? AroundOneD [2d\]: r13 is good for two fold: 1, keeping pressure on w, 2, more room aussiemate [7k\]: r13 ] ;B[kl]BL[705.382]C[pototo120 [6k\]: =) Bauer [1d\]: surprise AroundOneD [2d\]: k8 Domgo [2k\]: both love tenuki Carrot [3k\]: tennuki is the best thing since canned beer kinglao298 [2k?\]: tennuki existed since before canned beer mascaron [2k?\]: k8 dont work i reckon Carrot [3k\]: how about white rice? piesoup [11k\]: no no fire :D kinglao298 [2k?\]: nope, don't think so Carrot [3k\]: oatmeal? adsum [5d\]: pense que ya perdia este partido adsum [5d\]: por aca ] ;W[jl]WL[780.094]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: k8 seems ok kinglao298 [2k?\]: hmm... maybe ] ;B[jm]BL[694.716]C[skatergaga [3d\]: what is temuki meaning? Mumpitz [3k\]: this will end in a desaster for w ] ;W[km]WL[776.574] ;B[jk]BL[691.855] (;W[kk]WL[765.113]C[mascaron [2k?\]: wont be disaster mascaron [2k?\]: small capture piesoup [11k\]: tenuki means playing elsewhere right? Carrot [3k\]: or the Nile has been around for a bit eh? Domgo [2k\]: yup AroundOneD [2d\]: why not m8 skatergaga [3d\]: i c pie soup , thx AroundOneD [2d\]: ok Tetriste [-\]: j8 seems enough? AroundOneD [2d\]: try to kill, but ko big piesoup [11k\]: i like these non blitz games ^^ it lets me have a chance to catch up on whats happenin AroundOneD [2d\]: blitz game is really go game, just for fun Sutekh [8k\]: i agree AroundOneD [2d\]: not AroundOneD [2d\]: really skatergaga [3d\]: as far as i know, aguilar is a very good player however howcome he/she is only 6d ? Sutekh [8k\]: may i ask why the higher d is black? kinglao298 [2k?\]: m8 j9 j8 ko? Tetriste [-\]: probably a tournament or something ] ;B[ll]BL[490.15]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: I heard it's due his to aging Sutekh [8k\]: ^^ Bauer [1d\]: again surprise AroundOneD [2d\]: due to his aging ] ;W[ik]WL[749.385] ;B[im]BL[486.972]C[skatergaga [3d\]: ag is not that old? may be 40-50s? Tetriste [-\]: h9 Tetriste [-\]: m8 feels wrong SportGo: aguilar1 had won 15 games lastime , but he still 6d , it is stragnge AroundOneD [2d\]: the peak is before 30 skatergaga [3d\]: b in trouble ? AroundOneD [2d\]: generally, after 30 it's downhill Mumpitz [3k\]: w in trouble, no? Bauer [1d\]: strange ply of b Mumpitz [3k\]: b will get l10 or l6 Tetriste [-\]: w even have m9 eventually Domgo [2k\]: maybe want to lill l3 groupe N4KED [2d\]: lol kgs ranks seikenguy [1k\]: w h9 first now? Domgo [2k\]: kill AroundOneD [2d\]: h9, a must Sutekh [8k\]: jep Sutekh [8k\]: i would play it Mumpitz [3k\]: but then j5 meuns [1k\]: h9 is an overply AroundOneD [2d\]: or 2 pieces merged Domgo [2k\]: h9 j5 j6 k6 h6 l5 MagRock [14k\]: whats with kgs ranks? Higanbana [?\]: h7? Crovis [3d\]: h9 AroundOneD [2d\]: j6 for j5 N4KED [2d\]: most ranking systems you gain a rank or lose a rank depending on consecutive wins or losses aussiemate [7k\]: I would play h9 so it must be wrong meuns [1k\]: h9 isn't fair for white Domgo [2k\]: i think black strategy is to attack 3 group in same time Tetriste [-\]: if w can save the l3 part, giving up l6, I think the trade is good with w killing h10 AroundOneD [2d\]: 4 to3 to kill b Mumpitz [3k\]: j5 j6 k6 and then ? Domgo [2k\]: the k5 group, the g4 and the j9 Mendieta [12k\]: atari at H9 may give w a chance I think N4KED [2d\]: this is why h3 was a bad move ] ;W[hk]WL[421.09]C[meuns [1k\]: black won here Mendieta [12k\]: :) Crovis [3d\]: =P ] ;B[io]BL[470.036]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: j6 ] ;W[hn]WL[413.551]C[Tetriste [-\]: 0.o AroundOneD [2d\]: and h7 Tetriste [-\]: misclick? meuns [1k\]: h9 is a i resign now AroundOneD [2d\]: 4 vs3 to kill Crovis [3d\]: j6 muri Bauer [1d\]: b lost a won game ] ;B[ko]BL[419.479]C[meuns [1k\]: you are dreaming doodles ! N4KED [2d\]: how did b lose? AroundOneD [2d\]: should play j6 Sutekh [8k\]: k6 AroundOneD [2d\]: now late ] ;W[jn]WL[353.942] ;B[in]BL[412.241] ;W[hm]WL[352.485]C[Mumpitz [3k\]: around, why j6? Sutekh [8k\]: w gives just m4 stones Crovis [3d\]: b13 big Sutekh [8k\]: i think Domgo [2k\]: m6 Domgo [2k\]: now white have another big moyo AroundOneD [2d\]: w gained sth AroundOneD [2d\]: right side also big N4KED [2d\]: moyo stategy normally loses by like 3 points AroundOneD [2d\]: after s12 Domgo [2k\]: worth 30 points Sutekh [8k\]: is this experience? i never know "worth" Tetriste [-\]: ? Domgo [2k\]: gote 30 points Domgo [2k\]: worthy Mendieta [12k\]: meuns, H9 seemed not a resign move. Domgo [2k\]: ? chudu [8k\]: what ia going on??? Mendieta [12k\]: a go game chudu AroundOneD [2d\]: b13 is bigger for w AroundOneD [2d\]: s12 play late AroundOneD [2d\]: b's strategic problem Domgo [2k\]: black still have lot of points pototo120 [6k\]: m6 only move ??? Domgo [2k\]: he can try to invade AroundOneD [2d\]: should seperately treat 2 pieces Domgo [2k\]: c9 ] (;B[ri]BL[888.703]OB[24]C[Tetriste [-\]: oh this is canadian time Tetriste [-\]: he probably waited to get in it to play his move AroundOneD [2d\]: b wants to threats the piece AroundOneD [2d\]: and gets some room in the right side AroundOneD [2d\]: s11 is nice kinglao298 [2k?\]: only if it works aguilar1 [6d\]: esta no funcionó bien ] ;W[il]WL[120.878]C[N4KED [2d\]: how is the spegati ] ;B[qk]BL[872.993]OB[23]C[kinglao298 [2k?\]: it was good, thx AroundOneD [2d\]: should work Tetriste [-\]: w might have wanted to trade a few moves on the right first? AroundOneD [2d\]: b has wall there Crovis [3d\]: o10 ] ;W[pk]WL[31.814]C[lobosaito [2k\]: q8 looks good ] (;B[ql]BL[859.415]OB[22] ;W[pl]WL[27.213] ;B[rm]BL[857.69]OB[21]C[Tetriste [-\]: n10? ] ;W[mj]WL[887.671]OW[24] ;B[nj]BL[852.971]OB[20] ;W[lj]WL[884.557]OW[23]C[Tetriste [-\]: o8? Tetriste [-\]: even so ] ;B[nk]BL[838.413]OB[19]C[Tetriste [-\]: w has p13 Tetriste [-\]: later ] ;W[ni]WL[873.236]OW[22]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá pensé que se me moría el grupo ] ;B[pn]BL[804.965]OB[18]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: q6 also nice PDRMedia [3k\]: P7 now? gorilla04 [1k\]: o7 gorilla04 [1k\]: ? x0000 [3k\]: o7 Tetriste [-\]: r6 is annoying after AroundOneD [2d\]: p7 nice gorilla04 [1k\]: p7 o7 Tetriste [-\]: what if rp7 r6? Meto [1d\]: p7 is bad for L7 groups Tetriste [-\]: p7* lobosaito [2k\]: R6 Francisd [6k\]: reaaaaly bad situation for white AroundOneD [2d\]: seems w is promising to win lobosaito [2k\]: sacrifice r6 r7 stones and kill n5 n9 group PDRMedia [3k\]: Think White can play out of trouble Domgo [2k\]: bad situation for black Francisd [6k\]: oh lobosaito [2k\]: R6 purp [6k\]: p7 Tetriste [-\]: r6 q7? lobosaito [2k\]: r6 q7 p7 AroundOneD [2d\]: p7 for connnection ] ;W[qn]WL[559.413]OW[21]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: R5 here AroundOneD [2d\]: also connected Higanbana [?\]: this game doesn't look like it's going to yose PDRMedia [3k\]: Even if it is, I like White's chances Crovis [3d\]: semeai\\ N4KED [2d\]: ya yo se AroundOneD [2d\]: close to over Tetriste [-\]: p7 Tetriste [-\]: or p6? kinglao298 [2k?\]: p7 o7 kinglao298 [2k?\]: p6 o6 PDRMedia [3k\]: How about R5? kinglao298 [2k?\]: b doesn't wanna lose n5 Domgo [2k\]: then m6 worted more than 30 points Tetriste [-\]: p7 o7 o6 p6 a5 p4 q7? lobosaito [2k\]: r5 p6 Tetriste [-\]: q5* Tetriste [-\]: not a5 klausP [4d\]: w did b not capture k4?? saxo [3d\]: dunno PDRMedia [3k\]: Difficult whatever way you look at it... Mumpitz [3k\]: perhaps b felt he was behind and had to risk it Francisd [6k\]: he got the chance of fully attacking on right Tyger [1d\]: q5? Domgo [2k\]: do you believe that we are 170 observator Domgo [2k\]: ? Tyger [1d\]: q5 leads to ko? Tetriste [-\]: that's not a lot Francisd [6k\]: this is an amazing game... Denniskutl [4d?\]: 1 observator is worth 5 observers Tetriste [-\]: lol PDRMedia [3k\]: I still think White could have avoided these complications by playing P7 instead Mumpitz [3k\]: he should start playing .. otherwise its over soon klausP [4d\]: time no problem here N4KED [2d\]: canadian time is fun Higanbana [?\]: at 16 secs / move Tetriste [-\]: yeah klausP [4d\]: b can make 18 moves in 3 min if needed N4KED [2d\]: I lose on time sometimes and play with 25 min per 25 stones Francisd [6k\]: look at the time for black Mumpitz [3k\]: but good ones? Tetriste [-\]: well he got two moves at least against l6 Domgo [2k\]: looks like he is afk.. ] ;B[on]BL[244.403]OB[17]C[Francisd [6k\]: oh Tetriste [-\]: it also seems to work PDRMedia [3k\]: Q7 connecting seems to be a must Tetriste [-\]: maybe q5? PDRMedia [3k\]: White is one liberty too short for that PDRMedia [3k\]: Q5 Q7, threatening to cut R5 kinglao298 [2k?\]: o6 Tetriste [-\]: I know, just thinking it might work against either n6 or n9 PDRMedia [3k\]: Black would save half his group out of the deal, I think... Tetriste [-\]: q5 o6 probably ] ;W[nn]WL[370.478]OW[20]C[Tetriste [-\]: so maybe o6 instead Tetriste [-\]: :P ] ;B[lm]BL[235.733]OB[16]C[Tetriste [-\]: hah Tetriste [-\]: b read it well PDRMedia [3k\]: Using the aji here Tetriste [-\]: I think w is screwed AroundOneD [2d\]: has to play h4 PDRMedia [3k\]: H4 P7 AroundOneD [2d\]: or lost side and also ctr Tetriste [-\]: I think w might want to sacrifice k5 to live PDRMedia [3k\]: That's no good N4KED [2d\]: how does b kill? Genotive [2k\]: w cant sacrifice k5 AroundOneD [2d\]: h4 a must Tetriste [-\]: w can't save both no? PDRMedia [3k\]: White has too many cuts to protect Tyger [1d\]: I think he can kinglao298 [2k?\]: l4 ] (;W[om]WL[212.834]OW[19]C[Tetriste [-\]: see Francisd [6k\]: ooooooooooooooo ] ;B[ln]BL[229.861]OB[15]C[N4KED [2d\]: lol Marking [3k\]: ...seriously? ] ;W[rn]WL[205.378]OW[18]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: b is successful PDRMedia [3k\]: Mistake under time pressure kinglao298 [2k?\]: wth? PDRMedia [3k\]: That's too soft... Genotive [2k\]: time pressure? alot of time Tetriste [-\]: still a cut at p13 AroundOneD [2d\]: p14 Mumpitz [3k\]: tenuki around c 11 AroundOneD [2d\]: right side is ok kinglao298 [2k?\]: ok but gote? AroundOneD [2d\]: p14 connection for win aguilar1 [6d\]: acá reviví adsum [5d\]: si ] ;B[jd]BL[138.15]OB[14]C[Tetriste [-\]: even better ] ;W[jc]WL[198.549]OW[17]C[Tetriste [-\]: meh AroundOneD [2d\]: y ] ;B[id]BL[133.747]OB[13]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Now White's game collapses ] ;W[kb]WL[190.069]OW[16]C[ix7 [6k\]: they are already playing for two hours, aren't they? AroundOneD [2d\]: hopelly counts accurately Tetriste [-\]: probably p14 now ] ;B[bg]BL[121.772]OB[12]C[Tetriste [-\]: 0.o N4KED [2d\]: lol arjun [-\]: this is so sad... white was doing a pretty good job against an extremely strong player Tetriste [-\]: or is it alive? ] ;W[ch]WL[176.115]OW[15]C[N4KED [2d\]: reduction ] ;B[bh]BL[95.688]OB[11]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: It's comfortable now, all right... quasimoyo [2d\]: I don't it... quasimoyo [2d\]: why W didnt play h4? baduker [1k\]: A very interesting game. ] ;W[og]WL[122.426]OW[14] (;B[le]BL[84.597]OB[10]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: I still think we should go back to see if White should have played P7 on move 122 AroundOneD [2d\]: turned around again and over again ] ;W[nc]WL[113.263]OW[13] (;B[pg]BL[50.623]OB[9]C[N4KED [2d\]: move! AroundOneD [2d\]: j14 AroundOneD [2d\]: to kill ix7 [6k\]: is K16 alive? aguilar1 [6d\]: esta fue mala ] ;W[lh]WL[57.44]OW[12] ;B[lg]BL[38.092]OB[8] ;W[jf]WL[52.682]OW[11] ;B[if]BL[32.487]OB[7] ;W[me]WL[47.428]OW[10] ;B[hd]BL[26.151]OB[6] ;W[ig]WL[42.179]OW[9]C[Tetriste [-\]: time will end the game PDRMedia [3k\]: May just be... ] ;B[ic]BL[18.848]OB[5] ;W[ib]WL[40.264]OW[8] ;B[gc]BL[13.672]OB[4] ;W[hb]WL[38.79]OW[7] ;B[hf]BL[7.222]OB[3] ;W[jg]WL[36.031]OW[6] ;B[je]BL[6.544]OB[2]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: The White group at G12 looks rather thin... ] ;W[ff]WL[26.788]OW[5]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá parece que se muere el grupo ] ;B[ge]BL[3.434]OB[1] (;W[fd]WL[22.947]OW[4] ;B[hg]BL[900]OB[25] ;W[ih]WL[17.778]OW[3]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Okay, no life Francisd [6k\]: i'm making kifu ] ;B[fe]BL[888.448]OB[24] ;W[ho]WL[14.289]OW[2]C[Francisd [6k\]: this is insane N4KED [2d\]: timsuji? patrickn [3k\]: l14 ] ;B[kp]BL[882.458]OB[23] (;W[qg]WL[10.909]OW[1]C[Tetriste [-\]: f12 Tetriste [-\]: oh Tetriste [-\]: nvm ix7 [6k\]: yeah, just time kothreats ix7 [6k\]: is this ko threat big enough? Lenneth [2d?\]: time suji right ? PDRMedia [3k\]: It's going to fit under the "Classic KGS Games" category, isn't it? Tetriste [-\]: yeah Lenneth [2d?\]: ix7 ^ ^ ix7 [6k\]: whut? ^^ ix7 [6k\]: I know it's not for a ko Tetriste [-\]: its for time ix7 [6k\]: but it's still kinda ko threat move ;) Lenneth [2d?\]: timesuji not time ko ix7 [6k\]: I knooow ] ;B[fh]BL[792.091]OB[22] ;W[fg]WL[900]OW[25]C[N4KED [2d\]: blive PDRMedia [3k\]: Just made it past the time control... N4KED [2d\]: white messed up Bazilikan [2k\]: ? Lenneth [2d?\]: lol Domgo [2k\]: l14 Bazilikan [2k\]: l14??? Tetriste [-\]: l14 g10 pinkey [11k\]: white g10 or l12 Lenneth [2d?\]: so happy...... Tetriste [-\]: oh liebre [2k?\]: g13 Tetriste [-\]: meh Bazilikan [2k\]: cant g13 Tetriste [-\]: l14 for life Urukyu: k14 ] ;B[ee]BL[692.726]OB[21]C[Tetriste [-\]: but gote, w will s12 Tetriste [-\]: risky? AroundOneD [2d\]: b won Tetriste [-\]: g10? Prometey [19k\]: if g13 sundried [4d\]: b not won Tyger [1d\]: b lost ] ;W[ce]WL[809.996]OW[24]C[AvaLauren [4d\]: black is Win! xgw09 [1k\]: b not lost :-) PDRMedia [3k\]: Even if there is life on the top, White can still kill the group on the right easily AroundOneD [2d\]: b lives there already Tyger [1d\]: even if he saves his group he loses thegame AroundOneD [2d\]: really? PDRMedia [3k\]: Territory wise, White is still up... seikenguy [1k\]: l14 b lives Tetriste [-\]: cant forget s12 AroundOneD [2d\]: ok Tyger [1d\]: s12 kills b quasimoyo [2d\]: b need sente Meto [1d\]: g13 Prometey [19k\]: g10 adsum [5d\]: perdi la coneccion aguilar1 [6d\]: ok patrickn [3k\]: what does perdi mean, coneccion pretty obvious :P PDRMedia [3k\]: losing N4KED [2d\]: he got disconnected ] (;B[gg]BL[476.726]OB[20]C[N4KED [2d\]: from the internet kinglao298 [2k?\]: perdi means lost Jinni [3k\]: is says b is losing so bad he should quit ] ;W[gj]WL[802.955]OW[23]C[Tetriste [-\]: what was g13? PDRMedia [3k\]: Now Black must charge through at E16 klausP [4d\]: e13 N4KED [2d\]: what happened? Prometey [19k\]: its go patrickn [3k\]: e13 seems only way Mumpitz [3k\]: he aims at c14? Tetriste [-\]: w could sacrifice f13 to kill both c16 and b14? Jinni [3k\]: i dont think e13 works sundried [4d\]: if e13 then w e12 Prometey [19k\]: b 15? bood step imho for both Tetriste [-\]: I think w+ time kill [-\]: b alive kill [-\]: E16 quasimoyo [2d\]: B alive PDRMedia [3k\]: E16 would guarantee life quasimoyo [2d\]: but lose the game Tetriste [-\]: yea Tetriste [-\]: b probably wants to save everything in sente to get s12 kill [-\]: P14 first? ] ;B[ef]BL[264.313]OB[19]C[N4KED [2d\]: dragon on the loose! gru [6k?\]: how e16 works? Tetriste [-\]: e16 kills f16 or connect at c17 hailthorn [15k\]: Wow....this game is still going on? kill [-\]: or kill D15 Tetriste [-\]: of course sundried [4d\]: d13 kill [-\]: or kill F14 PDRMedia [3k\]: They must have been playing for...about 3.5 hours now... kill [-\]: kill one of 3 things or connect ] (;W[be]WL[727.642]OW[22] ;B[eh]BL[244.167]OB[18]C[N4KED [2d\]: b win! Tetriste [-\]: hesitating, s12 or c14? kill [-\]: S12 is kind of a must Tyger [1d\]: w+30 PDRMedia [3k\]: No. Fredrik123 [8k\]: d13, e13 s12 quasimoyo [2d\]: d13 PDRMedia [3k\]: D13 first, then S12 is very good for White ] ;W[dg]WL[688.224]OW[21]C[Tetriste [-\]: oh Tetriste [-\]: of course ] ;B[eg]BL[236.849]OB[17]C[klausP [4d\]: s12 big ] ;W[rh]WL[684.542]OW[20]C[Tetriste [-\]: yea ] ;B[ci]BL[232.252]OB[16] ;W[nb]WL[667.879]OW[19]C[Fredda [-\]: o18 also big power [3k\]: b g18 PDRMedia [3k\]: Now...White is comfortably on top quasimoyo [2d\]: o18 huge ] ;B[ob]BL[227.338]OB[15]C[Tetriste [-\]: might as well p19 now PDRMedia [3k\]: P19 ] ;W[oa]WL[632.472]OW[18]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Or else a lot of bad aji Fredda [-\]: w winning ] ;B[pa]BL[223.468]OB[14] ;W[na]WL[630.828]OW[17] ;B[qb]BL[216.877]OB[13]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: E16 klausP [4d\]: seems like it Tetriste [-\]: e16 is nice PDRMedia [3k\]: You want to get rid of the bad aji when you're ahead by a good margin Svend: Left still needs a move Fredda [-\]: yeah w should force b to play d11 and connect on dame Tetriste [-\]: lie b10? Tetriste [-\]: like-* PDRMedia [3k\]: Does D11 work? Prometey [19k\]: s8 e16 ] ;W[ed]WL[549.639]OW[16] ;B[sg]BL[208.782]OB[12]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: He plays it safe Tetriste [-\]: nice mov ] ;W[sh]WL[533.667]OW[15]C[quasimoyo [2d\]: Wlike 20 points ahead? N4KED [2d\]: sweetness Tetriste [-\]: gote :( PDRMedia [3k\]: No need to risk it when you're ahead ] ;B[cl]BL[185.237]OB[11]C[Svend: gote and not that big at this point Fredda [-\]: c8 quite huge PDRMedia [3k\]: C7 skatergaga [3d\]: why lower ranker is taking white? Fredda [-\]: w should have played c9 earlier i think Svend: playing at left was better... ] ;W[co]WL[507.72]OW[14]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: White should be able to hold on PDRMedia [3k\]: Not a problem ] ;B[do]BL[171.49]OB[10]C[largehc [1k?\]: w = sum? quasimoyo [2d\]: no largehc [1k?\]: ah. an impersonator. grooviest [8k\]: aguilar is a wily old fo quasimoyo [2d\]: yes quasimoyo [2d\]: A fan grooviest [8k\]: fox ] ;W[cn]WL[446.447]OW[13]C[grooviest [8k\]: but maybe this time ... ] ;B[bp]BL[166.859]OB[9] ;W[dl]WL[443.547]OW[12] ;B[ck]BL[156.823]OB[8]C[urim03 [1k\]: resign ? N4KED [2d\]: g16 is big PDRMedia [3k\]: But it's gote PDRMedia [3k\]: B7 N4KED [2d\]: not for b kairos [-\]: http://www.go.org.ar/torneos/tools/positions.php?round=5&cod=209 ] ;W[fk]WL[376.989]OW[11]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: For both players, it's gote ] ;B[gd]BL[140.338]OB[7]C[Jinni [3k\]: gote for me as well N4KED [2d\]: no cause then g18 will force ] ;W[gb]WL[366.247]OW[10]C[N4KED [2d\]: told you Tetriste [-\]: so much for gote PDRMedia [3k\]: You win aguilar1 [6d\]: Blanco está ganando adsum [5d\]: si adsum [5d\]: pero llago horribre error adsum [5d\]: me quria matar adsum [5d\]: a16 aguilar1 [6d\]: sí ] ;B[ae]BL[130.839]OB[6] ;W[ad]WL[362.248]OW[9]C[N4KED [2d\]: I know ] ;B[bd]BL[127.802]OB[5]C[largehc [1k?\]: nobody wins on the internet largehc [1k?\]: w all lose klausP [4d\]: hihi kill [-\]: kewl Svend: oops Jinni [3k\]: i beat the internet kill [-\]: miss by w PDRMedia [3k\]: Wait...is there life in the corner? AroundOneD [2d\]: my boy kill [-\]: yes kill [-\]: life or connection kill [-\]: in ko kairos [-\]: w tricked PDRMedia [3k\]: Oh dear... ] ;W[af]WL[314.146]OW[8] ;B[ac]BL[123.055]OB[4]C[Svend: He played it too fast Tetriste [-\]: b18 N4KED [2d\]: COOL GAME! ] ;W[os]WL[299.204]OW[7] ;B[ps]BL[116.959]OB[3]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: b turned around again ] ;W[bb]WL[296.508]OW[6] ;B[ae]BL[113.723]OB[2]C[klausP [4d\]: b did not trcikplay he just played normal endgame ] ;W[rs]WL[294.063]OW[5]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Wow... ] ;B[ss]BL[104.934]OB[1] ;W[ad]WL[292.994]OW[4]C[kairos [-\]: yes N4KED [2d\]: b18 nice move Meto [1d\]: t11 Svend: b18 only move... Jinni [3k\]: only move kill [-\]: t8 quasimoyo [2d\]: maybe B will win now Tetriste [-\]: t8 urim03 [1k\]: lol ] ;B[sk]BL[900]OB[25]C[kairos [-\]: w just careless PDRMedia [3k\]: What an epic mess-up from White ] (;W[si]WL[274.364]OW[3] ;B[ae]BL[896.366]OB[24]C[Jinni [3k\]: yeah lets all bash w N4KED [2d\]: t9 was sente? Prometey [19k\]: why not s8? ] ;W[pb]WL[253.037]OW[2]C[Prometey [19k\]: for w quasimoyo [2d\]: yes naked quasimoyo [2d\]: t11 was life ] ;B[pc]BL[877.434]OB[23] ;W[ad]WL[250.136]OW[1]C[N4KED [2d\]: yeah I see now ] ;B[sm]BL[873.458]OB[22]C[urim03 [1k\]: black has 1 more ko treath if s8 kill [-\]: L17 :) ] ;W[rl]WL[900]OW[25] ;B[ae]BL[868.52]OB[21]C[Tetriste [-\]: there's still t6 PDRMedia [3k\]: White can play T2... Shadonra [2d\]: r19 is ok too kill [-\]: and L17 klausP [4d\]: t2 will be ignored AroundOneD [2d\]: on board it's about same points ] ;W[kf]WL[846.137]OW[24]C[urim03 [1k\]: no t2 iaen't goos Tetriste [-\]: t2 ignore s1 urim03 [1k\]: isent'* PDRMedia [3k\]: Not good urim03 [1k\]: isen't* AroundOneD [2d\]: if b gained sth more than komi, b wins PDRMedia [3k\]: This only takes about 15 points Meto [1d\]: t4 next N4KED [2d\]: a13? kairos [-\]: too bad for w Tetriste [-\]: b answered s1, so should also answer t2 power [3k\]: connect, dont think klausP [4d\]: lol Tetriste [-\]: connect, its a threat for b after sundried [4d\]: not a good threat though klausP [4d\]: tetriste, t2 only threatens ko kinglao298 [2k?\]: he is not thinking, he is counting Tetriste [-\]: I know kill [-\]: P14 maybe? BinX [-\]: s1 was death Choup [1d\]: don't answer s1 was death, don't answer t2 is ko kill [-\]: to make L17 etc more see threats Choup [1d\]: big difference N4KED [2d\]: p14 just gives more threats quasimoyo [2d\]: B has time now urim03 [1k\]: t2 give black another ko treath quasimoyo [2d\]: to think kill [-\]: I am not sure urim03 [1k\]: it's not good sundried [4d\]: b still has c7 and connect big kill [-\]: because P14 also gives b threats quasimoyo [2d\]: I think he will conect quasimoyo [2d\]: just thinking PDRMedia [3k\]: Score estimator is W+14.5 power [3k\]: L17 seems not work PDRMedia [3k\]: If Black chooses to take on A13 now Thorvald [5k\]: SE count m13 as dead Tetriste [-\]: ''b will connect' Domgo [2k\]: corner is too much worthy Tetriste [-\]: there's only truth in this Domgo [2k\]: he should do a13 AroundOneD [2d\]: counting klausP [4d\]: L17 is another nice threat for b PDRMedia [3k\]: Yeah, White messed up here BinX [-\]: I think he can have both Thorvald [5k\]: b conect, then w a16 b j10 ? Harry [10k\]: come on aguilar Jinni [3k\]: long time counting AroundOneD [2d\]: take time, critical time kill [-\]: Is O7 a sneaky threat? BinX [-\]: b will not make the mistake white made kill [-\]: I guess not because w can just sacrifice O5 klausP [4d\]: i think b still loses if he ignores the threat PDRMedia [3k\]: Connect and win ko, and the margin becomes razor-thin N4KED [2d\]: which mistake was that? N4KED [2d\]: f4? kill [-\]: what about P14? PDRMedia [3k\]: No PDRMedia [3k\]: A16 Jinni [3k\]: w still wins kill [-\]: who will get more threats with P14? kill [-\]: b or w? klausP [4d\]: a16 should be at b16 BinX [-\]: to be too carefree PDRMedia [3k\]: If B16 was played instead, White would win without much problem Meto [1d\]: connect and t4 next Tyger [1d\]: should connect urim03 [1k\]: he's sleeping perhaps AroundOneD [2d\]: connection BinX [-\]: counting threats maybe quasimoyo [2d\]: he has more time now AroundOneD [2d\]: h10 gives it back N4KED [2d\]: 2:00 is time for siesta Tetriste [-\]: or maybe just counting to see if he wins with taking ko Jinni [3k\]: only a few threats Tyger [1d\]: yes, h10 would be ko threat enough to win the game AroundOneD [2d\]: after connnection h10 is the one petepython [2d?\]: another threat at d6/c7 for b N4KED [2d\]: oh m17 then b has j10 threat Domgo [2k\]: white have more point PDRMedia [3k\]: D6 threat is too small Jinni [3k\]: b plenty of time to think as well BinX [-\]: really ? Jinni [3k\]: i mean w BinX [-\]: D6 seems big to me... adsum [5d\]: tenias que contestar no? ] (;B[ag]BL[373.669]OB[20]C[quasimoyo [2d\]: ups Tyger [1d\]: oh Tetriste [-\]: so that's the count Tyger [1d\]: now b lost Sutekh [8k\]: m14 seems big to me AroundOneD [2d\]: b tries to get sente PDRMedia [3k\]: White plays M14 and wins Prometey [19k\]: ^^ quasimoyo [2d\]: m14 is gote ... but seems very big BinX [-\]: I really thought he could have connected and still won the ko Thorvald [5k\]: wooh AroundOneD [2d\]: try to get c7 petepython [2d?\]: what about c18? ] ;W[lf]WL[754.57]OW[23]C[Mdx [7k\]: c1'8 is gote too grooviest [8k\]: w seeing if there ] ;B[cb]BL[365.933]OB[19]C[grooviest [8k\]: is a move > 18 points? Thorvald [5k\]: 20 point ahead.... Higanbana [?\]: b 4 corners AroundOneD [2d\]: c18 no use Tetriste [-\]: b7? quasimoyo [2d\]: B good at yose... PDRMedia [3k\]: B7 AroundOneD [2d\]: no quasimoyo [2d\]: but seems very dificult kill [-\]: r4 AroundOneD [2d\]: c18 ok AroundOneD [2d\]: b7 Tyger [1d\]: c18 was 15 points Sutekh [8k\]: wow marbemi [3d\]: i dont understand why, any? AroundOneD [2d\]: bigest now Sutekh [8k\]: doesnt look so AroundOneD [2d\]: or sealed ] ;W[gq]WL[652.74]OW[22]C[Francisd [6k\]: black got the four corners AroundOneD [2d\]: c7 Meto [1d\]: c7 PDRMedia [3k\]: Score estimator gives a pretty comfortable win for White Mdx [7k\]: how black will win without sente? urim03 [1k\]: lose quasimoyo [2d\]: c7 quasimoyo [2d\]: ? Tetriste [-\]: se gives too many points to white AroundOneD [2d\]: either way, sealed one side PDRMedia [3k\]: Trouble is, C7 is gote aguilar1 [6d\]: acá Blanco tomó el sente ] ;B[fc]BL[277.28]OB[18]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: If you include B6 B5 A5 after AroundOneD [2d\]: good PDRMedia [3k\]: D18 klausP [4d\]: d18 AroundOneD [2d\]: sente Sutekh [8k\]: central thing i learned here is the importance of sente ] ;W[ec]WL[618.529]OW[21]C[Sutekh [8k\]: thx Mdx [7k\]: o.O! ] ;B[fb]BL[268.757]OB[17] ;W[fa]WL[617.014]OW[20]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: d18 better? Mdx [7k\]: why not d18? N4KED [2d\]: c7 and connect under Tetriste [-\]: d19? PDRMedia [3k\]: No reason PDRMedia [3k\]: D18 would have won White sente Tyger [1d\]: d18 not very good because of the shgortage of liberties klausP [4d\]: ah right AroundOneD [2d\]: y PDRMedia [3k\]: Forgot about that... grooviest [8k\]: hmm, but d18 forces c19 ... ] ;B[qp]BL[185.511]OB[16]C[Mdx [7k\]: maybe not Mdx [7k\]: black could f18 first Mdx [7k\]: and try to kill c12 ] ;W[qo]WL[584.876]OW[19] ;B[sp]BL[179.838]OB[15] ;W[ro]WL[572.977]OW[18]C[quasimoyo [2d\]: time ] ;B[ek]BL[159.037]OB[14]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Black is winning now kill [-\]: e10 seems big too klausP [4d\]: g2 is big, dont forget PDRMedia [3k\]: G2 is sente, no doubt about it Svend: e10 is a trap ] ;W[fl]WL[526.385]OW[17]C[SportGo: seems the w win the game quasimoyo [2d\]: close game now kill [-\]: C7 works? ] ;B[en]BL[103.475]OB[13]C[Choup [1d\]: yes kill [-\]: B5 is biggest now I think Svend: g2 now Tyger [1d\]: w +5 or so ] ;W[em]WL[492.75]OW[16]C[Prometey [19k\]: +2,5 ) marbemi [3d\]: b7 ? ] (;B[bn]BL[76.856]OB[12]C[adsum [5d\]: creo aguilar1 [6d\]: esta no sé si es buena adsum [5d\]: no ganaste mucho ] ;W[bo]WL[478.111]OW[15]C[marbemi [3d\]: nice PDRMedia [3k\]: Stylish adsum [5d\]: en yose no jugue bien ] ;B[cm]BL[54.248]OB[11] ;W[dn]WL[470.373]OW[14] ;B[ao]BL[52.954]OB[10]C[SportGo: w+10 or so kinglao298 [2k?\]: d11 ] ;W[gr]WL[457.106]OW[13]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Now B + 1.5 by score estimator ] ;B[fr]BL[50.375]OB[9] ;W[eo]WL[438.722]OW[12] ;B[gs]BL[47.285]OB[8] ;W[dp]WL[434.538]OW[11] ;B[dq]BL[46.479]OB[7]C[quasimoyo [2d\]: s15 N4KED [2d\]: SE doesnt work kill [-\]: s15 is gote PDRMedia [3k\]: It does look like the biggest move on board kill [-\]: e10 PDRMedia [3k\]: D11? N4KED [2d\]: Moyo game always fails by 3 points PDRMedia [3k\]: No, doesn't work xgw09 [1k\]: c3 works? PDRMedia [3k\]: It doesn't AroundOneD [2d\]: d19 xgw09 [1k\]: nvm PDRMedia [3k\]: D19 Svend: p15 AroundOneD [2d\]: sente Tyger [1d\]: d19 is dame Meto [1d\]: f11 PDRMedia [3k\]: It's 1 point sente ] ;W[ej]WL[295.953]OW[10]C[Sutekh [8k\]: why not e10+d9 ] ;B[fi]BL[42.526]OB[6] ;W[dk]WL[293.754]OW[9]C[Mdx [7k\]: d19 is sente dame Sutekh [8k\]: :) ] ;B[dj]BL[40.404]OB[5]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Here it is ] ;W[el]WL[289.962]OW[8] ;B[nm]BL[37.812]OB[4]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: O8 ] ;W[nl]WL[263.48]OW[7] ;B[ml]BL[34.372]OB[3] ;W[mm]WL[261.321]OW[6] ;B[da]BL[31.144]OB[2]C[N4KED [2d\]: B WIN ] ;W[ea]WL[254.645]OW[5] ;B[nm]BL[28.282]OB[1] ;W[db]WL[249.754]OW[4] ;B[ol]BL[900]OB[25]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá gané un poco adsum [5d\]: si ] ;W[pm]WL[247.504]OW[3]C[N4KED [2d\]: lol Sutekh [8k\]: c19 for b now ] ;B[ca]BL[871.321]OB[24]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: Black is still behind by a bit... BinX [-\]: w d19 before would have changed the ko ^^' kinglao298 [2k?\]: d11 AroundOneD [2d\]: t15 PDRMedia [3k\]: S15 is fine ] (;W[of]WL[188.669]OW[2]C[Sutekh [8k\]: which one is better? PDRMedia [3k\]: Right, there's always this... kevinwm [3k\]: t14 klausP [4d\]: p14 seems small xgw09 [1k\]: p14???!!! Mdx [7k\]: was a big sente kevinwm [3k\]: reverse sente Mumpitz [3k\]: p14 is only1 pt reverse sente Svend: p14 was sente for black so... kill [-\]: t14? N4KED [2d\]: no its big Svend: And 1 more sente point further Mumpitz [3k\]: no way p14 is correct with s15 around Mendieta [12k\]: b T15 or P15? SportGo: t15 o t14 ? aguilar1 [6d\]: esta no fue buena ] ;B[re]BL[763.382]OB[23]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: p14 no point ] ;W[oe]WL[171.629]OW[1]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: a point ] ;B[pd]BL[759.349]OB[22]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: 2 ] ;W[sf]WL[900]OW[25]C[Svend: and this one makes it 2 ] ;B[rf]BL[755.072]OB[21] ;W[rg]WL[898.828]OW[24]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: y kill [-\]: p9 Svend: e11 Mendieta [12k\]: P10 big for both I think Sutekh [8k\]: d11 N4KED [2d\]: n2 kill [-\]: p9 AroundOneD [2d\]: t15 is 4 points anbor53 [3k\]: n2 Prometey [19k\]: +0,5 by sc ] ;B[mr]BL[677.948]OB[20]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: razor-thin quasimoyo [2d\]: d12 quasimoyo [2d\]: for black ] ;W[di]WL[867.9]OW[23] ;B[cj]BL[673.888]OB[19]C[N4KED [2d\]: bad move ] ;W[dh]WL[858.775]OW[22]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: This is quite bad PDRMedia [3k\]: White surrenders sente again ] ;B[ei]BL[662.522]OB[18]C[N4KED [2d\]: white tricked himself fbp [6d\]: no its def sente fbp [6d\]: why? fbp [6d\]: this was good PDRMedia [3k\]: Black win fbp [6d\]: w still sente fbp [6d\]: t5 kill [-\]: p9 fbp [6d\]: p9 also fine fbp [6d\]: but i rather p10 PDRMedia [3k\]: T5 first BinX [-\]: why e11 ? PDRMedia [3k\]: Then P10 ] ;W[oj]WL[800.986]OW[21]C[fbp [6d\]: e11 is 2,5 points fbp [6d\]: otherwise g19 and e9 becomes point if w play there fbp [6d\]: and now e9 is ko AroundOneD [2d\]: t5 bigger fbp [6d\]: its same fbp [6d\]: t5 is not 100% sente BinX [-\]: I see thx quasimoyo [2d\]: seems ike quasimoyo [2d\]: like quasimoyo [2d\]: 0.5 game quasimoyo [2d\]: for white AroundOneD [2d\]: p10 gets a more point PDRMedia [3k\]: It's basically a half-point result fbp [6d\]: according to se seems b cant win PDRMedia [3k\]: White made this unnecessarily difficult for himself PDRMedia [3k\]: P4 AroundOneD [2d\]: right side lost too much N4KED [2d\]: could t3 first fbp [6d\]: p4 is zero points fbp [6d\]: just waste 1 threat kill [-\]: hmm PDRMedia [3k\]: Right... kill [-\]: no according to se it is very close kill [-\]: se made mistakes on both sides kill [-\]: like p9 AroundOneD [2d\]: p4 no use ] ;B[so]BL[493.366]OB[17]C[kill [-\]: not counted kill [-\]: so there additionally also more point ] ;W[sn]WL[781.804]OW[20] ;B[sq]BL[490.896]OB[16]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: It's a half-point win for White ] ;W[ms]WL[770.801]OW[19]C[kevinwm [3k\]: p4 Mdx [7k\]: no need to p4 ] ;B[ok]BL[469.058]OB[15]C[fbp [6d\]: p9 bigger then n1? Mdx [7k\]: if white cant, white should not fbp [6d\]: seems like Mdx [7k\]: ops, black should not* AroundOneD [2d\]: y fbp [6d\]: ko will decide game? ] ;W[se]WL[749.245]OW[18]C[Tyger [1d\]: no PDRMedia [3k\]: Game over Tyger [1d\]: w +0,5 ] ;B[sd]BL[456.492]OB[14] ;W[sg]WL[747.248]OW[17]C[PDRMedia [3k\]: White can lose a ko and win jmp87 [10k\]: b loos 0,5 or 1,5 Mumpitz [3k\]: painful kill [-\]: W+0.5 ] ;B[ls]BL[418.114]OB[13]C[kill [-\]: no way to prevent Prometey [19k\]: q5? Prometey [19k\]: p5 AroundOneD [2d\]: d5 ] ;W[ns]WL[715.079]OW[16]C[fbp [6d\]: mm w+0.5 Prometey [19k\]: p4 Mdx [7k\]: p4 is waste of threat anbor53 [3k\]: ko Tyger [1d\]: there is no any ko ] ;B[do]BL[365.056]OB[12]C[Mumpitz [3k\]: there are 2 Tyger [1d\]: even number of ko's PDRMedia [3k\]: E9 AroundOneD [2d\]: d4 is belong to w ] ;W[ek]WL[700.493]OW[15] ;B[dp]BL[362.403]OB[11]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: bueno, eso fue todo adsum [5d\]: bueno ,muchas gracias aguilar1 [6d\]: muy emocionante adsum [5d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: gracias a vos aguilar1 [6d\]: saludos adsum [5d\]: buenas noches adsum [5d\]: chao ] ;W[ga]WL[695.519]OW[14]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: one more there PDRMedia [3k\]: W+0.5 Mdx [7k\]: game ended ] ;B[op]BL[348.2]OB[10] ;W[po]WL[693.881]OW[13] ;B[]BL[324.325]OB[9] ;W[]WL[693.88]OW[12]TW[ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][jb][lb][mb][kc][lc][mc][md][mf][nf][kg][lg][mg][ng][jh][kh][mh][qh][ji][ki][mi][oi][pi][ri][hj][ij][qj][rj][sj][gk][jk][qk][rk][sk][gl][hl][ql][sl][fm][gm][rm][sm][en][gn][on][pn][fo][go]TB[aa][ba][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][pb][rb][sb][bc][qc][rc][sc][ad][he][ie][af][ff][gf][fg][ah][ai][bi][aj][bj][ak][bk][al][bl][nl][am][bm][km][mm][an][jn][kn][jo][lo][ap][jp][lp][mp][aq][bq][cq][kq][lq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][qr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][hs][is][js][ks][rs]C[Mdx [7k\]: r17 BinX [-\]: 4 vs 1 groups N4KED [2d\]: lol PDRMedia [3k\]: .5 quasimoyo [2d\]: good game aguilar1 [6d\]: muchas gracias Sutekh [8k\]: crazy PDRMedia [3k\]: This was a classic Prometey [19k\]: supergame ) drau [3k?\]: yay gg adsum [5d\]: muchasgracias Mdx [7k\]: gg Mdx [7k\]: white only 1 group aguilar1 [6d\]: felicitaciones :-) adsum [5d\]: la merezco AroundOneD [2d\]: nice count Samahell [6k\]: very nice aguilar1 [6d\]: la vemos? adsum [5d\]: me encantaria ]) (;W[re]C[adsum [5d\]: n2? ] ;B[se] ;W[sf] ;B[rf] ;W[rg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esto es más grande adsum [5d\]: no me di cuenta aguilar1 [6d\]: son unos 4 puntos ])) (;B[gr]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así? ] ;W[bo] ;B[bm] ;W[ap] ;B[aq] ;W[ao] ;B[bq] ;W[dn] ;B[eo]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esto parece mejor para Negro ])) (;B[lf] ;W[ad]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y ahora? ] (;B[kc]C[blaumag [-\]: t4? aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé en esta ]) (;B[sp]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, acá adsum [5d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: cierto adsum [5d\]: pensaba que blanco notenia mucha amenaza ] ;W[so] ;B[ae] ;W[cb]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? ] ;B[ag] (;W[ab]C[adsum [5d\]: parece mejor para negro aguilar1 [6d\]: creo que es parecido aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, pero Negro tiene sente ]) (;W[gq]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así aguilar1 [6d\]: parece que es un poquito mejor para Negro que la partida ])))) (;W[ae]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: quién gana así? ] ;B[si] ;W[rl] ;B[sm] ;W[sn] ;B[sl] ;W[qj] ;B[rk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: un poco mejor Negro, parece adsum [5d\]: parece prejo ,pero no estoy seguro ])) (;W[eh]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así mejor? adsum [5d\]: parece que si ])) (;B[be]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: cómo sigue acá? adsum [5d\]: d17? ] ;W[dc] ;B[df] ;W[cf] ;B[gg] ;W[gj] ;B[eg] ;W[eh] ;B[fi] ;W[di]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así el grupo está en problemas otra vez adsum [5d\]: si ])) (;W[ef]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así parece que se muere también adsum [5d\]: si ])) (;W[fe]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así ])) (;B[if]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: hay que hacer ojos adsum [5d\]: ya a estas alturas no teniamos tiempo aguilar1 [6d\]: claro adsum [5d\]: me volvi loco ])) (;B[if]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá mejor? adsum [5d\]: creo que tiene mas posibilidad de hacer ojo aguilar1 [6d\]: de todos modos, está difícil ])) (;W[ho]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? adsum [5d\]: negro gana semeai no? aguilar1 [6d\]: de qué modo? adsum [5d\]: p8? ] ;B[om]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá? adsum [5d\]: si ] ;W[nm] ;B[ol] ;W[po] ;B[pm] ;W[rn] (;B[pi] ;W[oi] ;B[pg]) (;B[qj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así directo? ] ;W[pi] ;B[pg] ;W[ml] ;B[ln] ;W[hp] ;B[lk] ;W[nl] ;B[ok] ;W[lo]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así gana Blanco ]) (;B[ln]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta hay que jugarla ] ;W[hp] ;B[pi] ;W[oi] (;B[pg] ;W[nl] ;B[ok] ;W[ml] ;B[lk] ;W[lo]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: gana Blanco adsum [5d\]: tenes razon ]) (;B[qj] ;W[nl] ;B[ok] ;W[ml] ;B[lk] ;W[lo]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: Blanco llega siempre una antes adsum [5d\]: que sonsito soy ])))) (;B[pl]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá debí jugar así adsum [5d\]: temia a esa adsum [5d\]: pero yo no tenia otra ])) (;B[ln]) (;B[lm] ;W[qg] ;B[bg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: está parejo así? adsum [5d\]: para mi es dificil de contar adsum [5d\]: te parecio parejo? adsum [5d\]: no me sentia bien ])) (;W[ll]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así? adsum [5d\]: como suige? ] ;B[il] ;W[kk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: igual que la partida, pero no me das la opción de jugar lo que jugué adsum [5d\]: claro yo esperaba esta ] ;B[lk]C[adsum [5d\]: con la l9 aguilar1 [6d\]: mirándolo bien, esto parece bueno para Negro adsum [5d\]: si ] ;W[jl] ;B[fh]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es una buena amenaza de ko adsum [5d\]: si ignora? ] ;W[ik]C[adsum [5d\]: ignoro ] ;B[gg]C[adsum [5d\]: ah adsum [5d\]: si este ko es muy duro para mi aguilar1 [6d\]: en ese momento no vi que tenía esta amenaza ])) (;B[og]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá pensé jugar así adsum [5d\]: el blanco debe estar contento aguilar1 [6d\]: qué juega Blanco? adsum [5d\]: d7? ] ;W[dm] ;B[fh]C[adsum [5d\]: g9 ] ;W[gk] ;B[gj]C[adsum [5d\]: f13 ] ;W[fg] (;B[eh]) (;B[dj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: tal vez así mejor adsum [5d\]: no estoy seguro de poder matarlo aguilar1 [6d\]: tratarías de matar el grupo? adsum [5d\]: se llama kamikaze adsum [5d\]: este ataque aguilar1 [6d\]: ok adsum [5d\]: parece mejor para negro ]))) (;B[og]C[N4KED [2d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: era mejor conectar? adsum [5d\]: querria forzar la coneccion aguilar1 [6d\]: claro aguilar1 [6d\]: yo me resistí a eso ])) (;W[kg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé que ibas a jugar acá adsum [5d\]: dude mucho aguilar1 [6d\]: esta me hubiera molestado ])) (;B[kg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: este punto es grande adsum [5d\]: si ])) (;W[rd] ;B[qc]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: este intercambio parece que deja más aji adsum [5d\]: si ])) (;W[oh]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: directamente acá? adsum [5d\]: si aguilar1 [6d\]: parece mejor, sí ])) (;W[hq]C[adsum [5d\]: si esa aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé que ibas a jugar este kikashi ]))