(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[25/900 Canadian]
PW[aguilar1]PB[elh]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2012-09-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: buen juego
elh [5d\]: buen juego
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[5387.189]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: Torneo Argentino, 3a ronda
]
;W[dd]WL[5389.091]
;B[pp]BL[5381.326]
;W[dq]WL[5353.573]
;B[cn]BL[5366.783]C[DexMorgan [?\]: Buenas
DexMorgan [?\]: edu ya jugando asi
]
;W[cp]WL[5304.346]
;B[ck]BL[5356.919]C[jjotanauta [12k\]: Hola a todos !!
tuyi [3d\]: the m9 game
]
;W[ci]WL[5293.067]C[DexMorgan [?\]: este patron no existe :P
jjotanauta [12k\]: Siempre hay algo nuevo
jjotanauta [12k\]: mientras sirva!
]
;B[nc]BL[5191.679]C[DexMorgan [?\]: lo que no entiendo de edu, es porque le gusta jugar el nikken bikari y tenuki
]
;W[nq]WL[5260.339]C[DexMorgan [?\]: porque el nikken dice "quiero algo seguro y tranquilo
]
;B[qn]BL[5183.405]C[DexMorgan [?\]: y el tenuki dice exactamente lo contrario "veni a buscarme
horacio [7k?\]: Usa una estrategia amashi
DexMorgan [?\]: ahora blaco puede jugar lo siguiente..
DexMorgan [?\]: e6 e9 k4 
DexMorgan [?\]: una posibilidad
DexMorgan [?\]: blanco no quiere extenderse de una en K4, porque negro salta en E6
]
;W[pr]WL[5184.353]C[DexMorgan [?\]: y revierte el patro de kobayashi
DexMorgan [?\]: mm
]
;B[qq]BL[5118.913]
;W[kq]WL[5177.213]C[DexMorgan [?\]: similar pero pior
DexMorgan [?\]: negro salta en E6 ahora , y blanco no tiene jugada
]
;B[fc]BL[5056.46]C[DexMorgan [?\]: no me gusta este fuseki :P
RayTomes [1d\]: d14 k16 r11 
DexMorgan [?\]: no ray
DexMorgan [?\]: if white d14, black c17 inmediately
DexMorgan [?\]: c14 is better if you want to tenuki
DexMorgan [?\]: but the strong move is D17
eisenberg [7k\]: invasion at b8 later is possible for W ?
DexMorgan [?\]: d17 j16 e6 e9 e11 g9 f15 
DexMorgan [?\]: d17 is the powerful move, i think only..
DexMorgan [?\]: the advantage of L3 is that black E6 is purely gote
DexMorgan [?\]: but still..so flat..
jjotanauta [12k\]: DexMorgan, si es unapartida entre argentinos porque no seguimosen español como al principio?
]
;W[df]WL[4914.821]C[DexMorgan [?\]: mmm
hikarugo [1d\]: argentinos hablan english tanbien
DexMorgan [?\]: w better have an attack pla
DexMorgan [?\]: n
DexMorgan [?\]: because black c17 is too obvious to play now
jjotanauta [12k\]: No todos!!
RayTomes [1d\]: Ray 1/1 :)
DexMorgan [?\]: c17 is too delicious to miss
DexMorgan [?\]: d14 has many issues
DexMorgan [?\]: it loses yose points
DexMorgan [?\]: it lets b settle quickyly
]
;B[cc]BL[4937.834]C[DexMorgan [?\]: and the attack on c9 isworse because
RayTomes [1d\]: Dex 1/1
DexMorgan [?\]: after e6 e9 e11  D14 is korigatachi
]
;W[dc]WL[4899.212]
;B[db]BL[4934.359]
;W[cd]WL[4897.86]
;B[bb]BL[4923.34]
;W[bc]WL[4895.537]
;B[cb]BL[4921.074]C[DexMorgan [?\]: w does have one thing going for him
DexMorgan [?\]: which is
DexMorgan [?\]: e6 e9 k6 
DexMorgan [?\]: but its not very safe
DexMorgan [?\]: knowing w
DexMorgan [?\]: he is likely to D8
DexMorgan [?\]: d8 c8 d6 d7 e7 c7 d5 e8 f7
DexMorgan [?\]: but then black k4 is hard to respode
DexMorgan [?\]: becomes an uphill game for w, as he is forced to profit to recuperate territorial balance
DexMorgan [?\]: he will oly have one corner, and black has 2 1/2 already
pannin [1k\]: slow games......
eisenberg [7k\]: s16 for W ?
DexMorgan [?\]: no
DexMorgan [?\]: w has to attack the lef
DexMorgan [?\]: else black will D11, or F6
DexMorgan [?\]: and w is bad
eisenberg [7k\]: b8 so
DexMorgan [?\]: b8 is second line
DexMorgan [?\]: who likes second line
aguilar1 [6d\]: hasta acá todo "normal"
]
;W[qi]WL[4693.033]C[eisenberg [7k\]: ;)
RayTomes [1d\]: Ray 2 Dex 1!
DexMorgan [?\]: white is immediately expelled from DexMorgan's school of Go
eisenberg [7k\]: lol
Xbox720 [5d\]: hey dex is back :)
garibaldi [8k\]: jajja
DexMorgan [?\]: just argentine championship :)
DexMorgan [?\]: wanted to get this game on video but was not possible :(
DexMorgan [?\]: this invasion is gote
DexMorgan [?\]: r9 s15 s16 r15 r16 p11 
DexMorgan [?\]: black secures large territory up to p11
DexMorgan [?\]: and he gets sente to play bottom 
eisenberg [7k\]: why'not after r9ns16 directly
DexMorgan [?\]: that is overplay
DexMorgan [?\]: black will S14 
DexMorgan [?\]: and a strange fight starts where w r11 will be left lonely and sad
eisenberg [7k\]: k
]
(;B[lp]BL[4664.464]C[DexMorgan [?\]: !!!!
elh [5d\]: a menos que le preguntes a Gabriel
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta me sorprendió
aguilar1 [6d\]: fue la primera jugada que no me esperaba
]
;W[lq]WL[4683.515]
;B[qg]BL[4660.5]C[DexMorgan [?\]: honestly
]
;W[ql]WL[4673.858]C[DexMorgan [?\]: i dont know these players
]
;B[np]BL[4656.795]C[DexMorgan [?\]: wht is going on, they are play both very strage
DexMorgan [?\]: b had better territorial position, and he gives w territory to start an attack
]
;W[mp]WL[4631.096]
;B[mo]BL[4652.919]C[elh [5d\]: esto me pareció que tenía cierto ritmo, pero después de jugarlo ya no me gustó tanto
]
;W[mq]WL[4629.161]C[eve20 [2k\]: why u dont ve a rank
hikarugo [1d\]: rank is overrated
DexMorgan [?\]: cuz i dont play here
DexMorgan [?\]: black has to p12 now
eve20 [2k\]: play then
DexMorgan [?\]: its not entirely unappealing though
]
;B[en]BL[4602.844]C[DexMorgan [?\]: -.-
DexMorgan [?\]: now white p11
DexMorgan [?\]: d7 to take sente maybe
]
;W[dm]WL[4588.823]C[DexMorgan [?\]: but white plays p11 and why did b play m4 at all ?
albemuth [9k\]: ah, so that's the purpose of d7
RayTomes [1d\]: Ray 2/3 Dex 1/7  :)
DexMorgan [?\]: very strange game
DexMorgan [?\]: the decisions are not typical of these two players
albemuth [9k\]: Go Ray!
DexMorgan [?\]: it doesnt count :P
RayTomes [1d\]: Thanks Tom
albemuth [9k\]: 75 minutes each . . . wow
]
;B[dn]BL[4499.129]
;W[gp]WL[4582.222]C[RayTomes [1d\]: Its a tournament and we are supposed to kibitz in Spannish
eisenberg [7k\]: e9.?
DexMorgan [?\]: e9 is too slack i think now
DexMorgan [?\]: i wonder if black can d11
santiago [3d\]: p11 ahora?
albemuth [9k\]: Like what spanners speak?
DexMorgan [?\]: no
DexMorgan [?\]: si blanco juega b8, e6 no tiene sentido
eve20 [2k\]: Dexmorgan  tell us yr level
DexMorgan [?\]: im 99p
RayTomes [1d\]: my eengleesh speeling not so gut
albemuth [9k\]: lol
eve20 [2k\]: so is a fake
DexMorgan [?\]: d11 seria la primer jugada no estandard de la partida
santiago [3d\]: ior inglish is fain
DexMorgan [?\]: puede ser buea
kuelo [7k\]: Dex is 5 or 6 dan
DexMorgan [?\]: ormalmente la jugada es E9 pero no afecta en lo mas minimo a la posicion blanca
jojjjjmoyg: que piensais sobre j3?
DexMorgan [?\]: que es un suicidio
jojjjjmoyg: jeje
DexMorgan [?\]: si blanco juega c12, ngro reponde en C10
DexMorgan [?\]: y el mochikomi de D7 es mas grande
gma12 [3k\]: donde esta el bano
DexMorgan [?\]: pero lo que no entiendo de R13, como direccion
DexMorgan [?\]: es que a negro le falta K16 o J16
]
;B[pk]BL[4318.034]C[DexMorgan [?\]: ya esta
DexMorgan [?\]: o no se como jugar al go
DexMorgan [?\]: o estamos todos locos
santiago [3d\]: es la nueva moda en japon ¿?
DexMorgan [?\]: blanco tiene b8 para hacer un montonazo de puntos en sente
DexMorgan [?\]: negro tiro por la borda todo el balance territorial a cambio de este ataque
horacio [7k?\]: Blanco es muuuuuy paciente
DexMorgan [?\]: se supone que es al reves
DexMorgan [?\]: yo aprendi mi paciencia de edu :)
RayTomes [1d\]: I just translated elh profile page - very funny
eisenberg [7k\]: r9 q11 Q10 P10 ?
DexMorgan [?\]: that is standard
DexMorgan [?\]: but w is considering the long term
RayTomes [1d\]: But W does not like it
DexMorgan [?\]: not just the first few moves
DexMorgan [?\]: r9 q11 q10 p10 r10 q12 p9 o10 p8 j16 
DexMorgan [?\]: blacks top shape is good
DexMorgan [?\]: white really wants to get sente to H17 somehow
DexMorgan [?\]: but looks hard
DexMorgan [?\]: alternative
DexMorgan [?\]: p11 r9 p13 r15 h17 
DexMorgan [?\]: but black gains lots of solid cash in that variation
DexMorgan [?\]: w might play R10
DexMorgan [?\]: normally icky shape but
albemuth [9k\]: what would be the follow up to w H17?
DexMorgan [?\]: maybe good
Lake [4k\]: r15 neeeded?
eisenberg [7k\]: q1à o11 for white to get out 
RayTomes [1d\]: h17 b16 I suppose
eisenberg [7k\]: q10*
Lake [4k\]: b rather play at top and welcome sansan
Lake [4k\]: ne c est pas?
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es severa
]
;W[oi]WL[4021.93]C[accord123: I saw this move in a pro game
elh [5d\]: era el plan después de M4, etc.
aguilar1 [6d\]: claro
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá dudé bastante, pero creo que esta era correcta
]
;B[qk]BL[4282.998]C[RayTomes [1d\]: W says "don't shut me in"
]
;W[ok]WL[3935.727]
;B[pl]BL[4265.976]C[elh [5d\]: acá quedé más o menos satisfecho
]
;W[og]WL[3931.936]C[albemuth [9k\]: I see this four stone hat-shape often in high dan games
albemuth [9k\]: Is it supposed to be 'good shape'?
Lake [4k\]: its light and cannot be cut easily
Lake [4k\]: dont play it)
albemuth [9k\]: so ... b q10 p10 q11 q12 ?
andreslamb [3k\]: emm, i dont know if is good shaped but
andreslamb [3k\]: he played there to get an approach to the top i guess
]
;B[qe]BL[4097.69]C[RayTomes [1d\]: q10 not p10 
andreslamb [3k\]: so black defended..
albemuth [9k\]: q10 :)
hikarugo [1d\]: b good in ca$h
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: s14 is likely
Lake [4k\]: famous honte?
RayTomes [1d\]: y
agustin [2k\]: spanish people
DexMorgan [?\]: s14 here?
DexMorgan [?\]: no point..
RayTomes [1d\]: Funny, Dex chats with himself
hikarugo [1d\]: only if himself is called ukasuhs
DexMorgan [?\]: H17 is big
]
;W[bl]WL[3715.654]C[DexMorgan [?\]: or B8
DexMorgan [?\]: white can get both
]
;B[dl]BL[3940.292]C[eisenberg [7k\]: cutting point at m5 
]
;W[cm]WL[3704.512]
;B[em]BL[3935.41]
;W[bn]WL[3701.878]
;B[fk]BL[3925.178]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: todo esto también es "normal"
aguilar1 [6d\]: al menos, era lo que yo esperaba
]
;W[gd]WL[3690.18]C[RayTomes [1d\]: he missed h17 Dex!
Oloril [3k?\]: w is a man with a plan
RayTomes [1d\]: panama?
RayTomes [1d\]: a man, a plan, a canal, panama (palindrome)
Oloril [3k?\]: able was I ere I saw Elba
GibbonGO [1k\]: but also Black seems full of plans
Lake [4k\]: you must be good in tevary, Ray
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: i am amazed and know not what to say
eisenberg [7k\]: normal reduction here 
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: (iambic pentameter)
RayTomes [1d\]: Dan Potter used to say "but why do you pick such bad moves for me in your reading / plans"
elh [5d\]: ok
aguilar1 [6d\]: este era mi plan
]
(;B[id]BL[3663.72]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: qué pasaba si jugabas "paciente" ?
]
;W[gc]WL[3672.122]
;B[fb]BL[3659.299]C[RayTomes [1d\]: einie meanie ...
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: minie MOO!
GibbonGO [1k\]: P9-11-13 are very much endangered by J16
RayTomes [1d\]: minnie mouse?
Oloril [3k?\]: rats live on no evil star
RayTomes [1d\]: Gibbon, B e7 etc are almost as weak, so it balances out
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: p11 group has good light shape
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: its not easy to attack it except to go after a single stone which isnt good
Oloril [3k?\]: w strong like rabid lobster
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: gotta look out for them lobsters
GibbonGO [1k\]: u mighr be right RayTomes
GibbonGO [1k\]: I think P11 group needs a good vlean shaving by black
GibbonGO [1k\]: clean shaving i mean XD
RayTomes [1d\]: g18 and f16 miai?
quo [-\]: f16?
Oloril [3k?\]: shaving cream, be nice and clean, shave everyday and you'll always look keen
GibbonGO [1k\]: shavings like O10 and O12 perhaps
quo [-\]: l16
OldGeezer [2d\]: is this game part of some kind of tournament?
garibaldi [8k\]: the Argentinian tournament
RayTomes [1d\]: Are these the top two?
bakhtiari [1d\]: argentina tournament
jjotanauta [12k\]: si
bakhtiari [1d\]: third round
OldGeezer [2d\]: the argentina title is played online?
GibbonGO [1k\]: nice poetry, Oloril ! :-) 
buffalo [7k\]: zzz
GibbonGO [1k\]: What time is it on earth, by the way ?
taringa [1k\]: esta meditando bastante este movimiento
Oloril [3k?\]: high noon
theveteran [1d\]: es titulo argentino?
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: 1400 galactic standard time ofc
theveteran [1d\]: que se está jugando???
elh [5d\]: a esta altura, uno no juega la mejor sino la más cómoda :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: :-)
]
;W[lh]WL[2799.913]C[smontiel [1d\]: Sí, no está facil..
theveteran [1d\]: y porqué 
RayTomes [1d\]: Gibbon, W agrees with you
theveteran [1d\]: dani gabi no está jugando?
smontiel [1d\]: Torneo argentino de Go
theveteran [1d\]: pero gabriel es 6d 7d no?
theveteran [1d\]: el es el jugador mas fuerte argentino!
quo [-\]: elh know cho chikun and others go stars
OldGeezer [2d\]: how do you say "do not enter" in spanish
Oloril [3k?\]: don't cry for me Argentina
Hermes [6k\]: Aguilar is the strongest
legalrule [7k\]: no entres
garibaldi [8k\]: "no entrar" Old
smontiel [1d\]: depende cuales sean los parámentros para definir a un jugador como"fuerte"
OldGeezer [2d\]: no, the answer is "entero somewhere elso"
Abe [3k\]: mybe f16 now, to help prepare for upper invasion?
quo [-\]: no adentrar
quo [-\]: what does m12 means?
Hermes [6k\]: " no trespass" " cuidado con el perro"
RayTomes [1d\]: m12 to make W group safer
theveteran [1d\]: danigabi es 6d-7d
RayTomes [1d\]: also m12 aims to invade top
quo [-\]: ty Ray
Abe [3k\]: m15 to more directly defend? but then white can so easily j18
Abe [3k\]: sorry. not m15
Abe [3k\]: l16
Hermes [6k\]: black will play around bottom left
Abe [3k\]: h6?
Hermes [6k\]: e4  or something
GibbonGO [1k\]: high noon in Suva: http://24timezones.com/
OldGeezer [2d\]: im pretty sure e4 wont be played
quo [-\]: maybe j14
aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé varias en el borde superior, y no me convenció ninguna
elh [5d\]: sí, yo también pensé que jugar arriba todavía sería apresurado
]
;B[fd]BL[3247.43]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: this is the move i was going to say :(
]
;W[ge]WL[2780.872]
;B[if]BL[3242.773]C[quo [-\]: j14
quo [-\]: ^^
GibbonGO [1k\]: high noon in new caledonia
GibbonGO [1k\]: but no GO playing there ...
bengali: b not behind
OldGeezer [2d\]: i like b position, w has one weakie and a  nasty cut around g14
OldGeezer [2d\]: but it will take skill to proffit
]
(;W[ih]WL[2666.316]C[quo [-\]: good drive
Abe [3k\]: b's lower left group needs attention
ennuistic [2d\]: j12 is a good move.
GibbonGO [1k\]: J12 is a clever treatment of both white weaknesses
bengali: is fine
OldGeezer [2d\]: j12 is the kind of move that would frustrate me as b
aussiemate [7k?\]: the good point and the bad point are oft next to each other
njyvu [10k\]: wasnt the ear reddening move at j12 too? :D
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: no
quo [-\]: yeah.. now b hve to think abot top side and e6 group
GibbonGO [1k\]: now J14-16 are very much endangered ! :-)
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá le hice caso a Sun Tzu
elh [5d\]: :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: (fuera de broma)
]
;B[ij]BL[3104.911]C[quo [-\]: only cap allowed
quo [-\]: lol
Abe [3k\]: w j8, obviously
]
;W[hg]WL[2620.15]C[taringa [1k\]: menuda lucha, amenazandose desde lejos :D
Abe [3k\]: :)
garibaldi [8k\]: sí :D
GibbonGO [1k\]: white clouds over  J14-16 ...
OldGeezer [2d\]: hard to find a good move to defend the j16 group
OldGeezer [2d\]: none are particularily satisfiying
GibbonGO [1k\]: J18 perhaps
quo [-\]: h18?
oasthouse [-\]: around m14
Abe [3k\]: i like j17 more
oasthouse [-\]: j17, j18 seem passive. w has weakness around m12
Abe [3k\]: m14?
GibbonGO [1k\]: G18 is more pushy then
andreslamb [3k\]: it depends if b wants to play offensive or more defensive here
buffalo [7k\]: be 
buffalo [7k\]: cu
buffalo [7k\]: be
GibbonGO [1k\]: against G18 white has no good countermove i think
hikarugo [1d\]: h18 might be better
oasthouse [-\]: If play around there then agree h18
OldGeezer [2d\]: h18 good shape? seems a bit funn
OldGeezer [2d\]: funny
hikarugo [1d\]: at least, connected
GibbonGO [1k\]: h18 leaves a weakness there with gote
oasthouse [-\]: maybe k12 directly
GibbonGO [1k\]: i dont believe h18 to be a good one
]
;B[lj]BL[2666.403]C[poivron [?\]: surprise
Abe [3k\]: hehe
quo [-\]: l16
Abe [3k\]: black's drive doesn't look as graceful as white's
OldGeezer [2d\]: i wouldnt play the top too, if i cant find a satisfiying move, id rather play somewhere else, the j16 stones arent heavy right now
quo [-\]: i dont get this move
legalrule [7k\]: es error el m10?
GibbonGO [1k\]: G18 is rather satisfying
bengali: counter influence against w wall
quo [-\]: g18 j17 
OldGeezer [2d\]: i think the balance of power is in the middel, the top id regard as yose
GibbonGO [1k\]: because the outcone would be rather predictable
oasthouse [-\]: agree OldG
oasthouse [-\]: Centre more important
bengali: and its a good point to fight
bengali: w has holes
GibbonGO [1k\]: i agree with the center oasthouse
quo [-\]: can someone estimate?
quo [-\]: the cash
bengali: hum
ennuistic [2d\]: cash?
hikarugo [1d\]: everybody have holes
bengali: sth like 50w 70 b
bengali: ?
bengali: 55/65 about ?
oasthouse [-\]: Not counted, but I slightly prefer B just by feeling
ennuistic [2d\]: black has 15 in the bottom right, 20 in the top right, and 5 in the top left
bengali: 20 top right ?
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah.
quo [-\]: 25
sidarta [5k\]: campeonato argentino?
ennuistic [2d\]: white still needs a move in the bottom to fix.
ennuistic [2d\]: 5 points top left, 15 points bottom left, 10 points bottom right.
GibbonGO [1k\]: the beautiful b/w photos are revealing to me :
Abe [3k\]: i like h6
OldGeezer [2d\]: white is thick in the bottom, invasion would be very crazy by b with the delicate situation in the center
GibbonGO [1k\]: these rwo could be brothers
ennuistic [2d\]: i would say white is ahead.
bengali: h6 feels slow to me
GibbonGO [1k\]: these two could be brothers
quo [-\]: how old are they?
OldGeezer [2d\]: elh still live in tokyo?
turntech [11k\]: if black plays well then he could take the bottom center and have a huge lead
turntech [11k\]: or im stupid
ennuistic [2d\]: you can invade bottom.
legalrule [7k\]: no you're right
bengali: look like bottom and top r miai :)
turntech [11k\]: so like j5?
turntech [11k\]: j4
quo [-\]: how old are they?
OldGeezer [2d\]: youd split 2 strong positions and youd hurt you center, i would definitely not invade the bottom as b
ennuistic [2d\]: j4 is easiest.
hikarugo [1d\]: no you're right = yes you're wrong?
ennuistic [2d\]: maybe something else if you probe the corner first.
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta me pareció notable
elh [5d\]: acá me pareció importante impedir que hicieras cajita en el centro
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé varias por ahí, y no me convenció ninguna
]
;W[kd]WL[2174.876]C[ennuistic [2d\]: like e3 first, then j3?
legalrule [7k\]: there you go!!!
GibbonGO [1k\]: kaoru iwamoto was born: 5th feb 1902
Abe [3k\]: j17 makes miai of g18 and l18
turntech [11k\]: the no you're right was him saying that i wasnt stupid 
GibbonGO [1k\]: J19 now imperative !
costco [1k\]: j19?
bengali: 1902? he's 110yo ?
oasthouse [-\]: L16 looks maybe too far
quo [-\]: probaly dead
OldGeezer [2d\]: k16 very crazy?
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: heh
OldGeezer [2d\]: its so bold
ennuistic [2d\]: l16 too far?
ennuistic [2d\]: looks just fine.
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: nothing close to dead
GibbonGO [1k\]: J18 i mean
oasthouse [-\]: maybe B L15 now?
quo [-\]: i was talking about iwamoto
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: oh
quo [-\]: lol
hikarugo [1d\]: r8 close to death
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: ya, living to 110 is tough :)
quo [-\]: ^^
Abe [3k\]: l15 possible?
OldGeezer [2d\]: l15 bad
buffalo [7k\]: l 15 super bad
OldGeezer [2d\]: l15 k16
OldGeezer [2d\]: too easy for w
aguilar1 [6d\]: jugué acá por impulso
elh [5d\]: parece buena... lo que sigue no me salió bien
aguilar1 [6d\]: al fin y al cabo, peleo en mi zona de influencia
elh [5d\]: claro
aguilar1 [6d\]: pensé que ibas a hacer tenuki
]
(;B[le]BL[2380.281]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: i think b is sacrificing?
OldGeezer [2d\]: it might work
]
;W[ke]WL[2147.027]C[quo [-\]: w hve to be careful...
]
;B[kf]BL[2376.322]C[Abe [3k\]: b wants stones to use against the middle
NicolaiHel [4k?\]: j 18?
hikarugo [1d\]: cut
]
;W[lf]WL[2128.274]C[hikarugo [1d\]: yeah
elh [5d\]: pero si va a suceder lo que sucedió, en efecto parece mejor tenuki
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá me puse contento
elh [5d\]: L13 ahora?
]
(;B[ld]BL[2358.618]C[sidarta [5k\]: first important fight in game
hikarugo [1d\]: now no need for yose, one fight should decide
Denniskutl [?\]: even 6d's cut first think later
Abe [3k\]: this seems difficult for w
OldGeezer [2d\]: im impressed by m15
Lake [4k\]: l17?
sidarta [5k\]: k14
OldGeezer [2d\]: m10 is shining now
Abe [3k\]: seems hard for the l15 stones to live wieth anything except k14, and k14 is awful
OldGeezer [2d\]: b had this whole thing on his mind back then
conejito [8k\]: j15 White ?!
sidarta [5k\]: j18?
quo [-\]: w have to worry about being cutted
hikarugo [1d\]: l17
Sckiros974 [6k\]: it's just take or die
quo [-\]: maybe he will just sacrifice l16 and get sente
Sckiros974 [6k\]: no
]
;W[jf]WL[1778.473]C[conejito [8k\]: is sente worth this huge area ?
]
;B[kg]BL[2348.505]
;W[jg]WL[1774.664]C[Sckiros974 [6k\]: cause this one is just so importante
OldGeezer [2d\]: i think w will get cut and then try to pull a miracled
oasthouse [-\]: L12 must
bengali: l12 come on
Sckiros974 [6k\]: L17
OldGeezer [2d\]: l12 might be bad because he must m13 inmediately
OldGeezer [2d\]: im not sure
oasthouse [-\]: L12 needed to create cutting points
bengali: w position full of cuts
bengali: even if j14 dies
bengali: he exchanges for m12 stones
Sckiros974 [6k\]: tgis 2 stones not very importante
OldGeezer [2d\]: this 2 stones are key man
Sckiros974 [6k\]: L17 good choice
sidarta [5k\]: w will need q10
bengali: if key then k15
bengali: but key of what ?
bengali: i dont see
Sckiros974 [6k\]: L14 yhen L17
OldGeezer [2d\]: i mean the l13 stones of course
OldGeezer [2d\]: the inner stones are yose
Sckiros974 [6k\]: N14 then L17
Abe [3k\]: hard to believe l12 isn't the move
Sckiros974 [6k\]: or G19
bengali: me neither
Sckiros974 [6k\]: G18
OldGeezer [2d\]: its the only move probably, he must be reading continuations
njyvu [10k\]: yes l12 is a must to attack p11 
OldGeezer [2d\]: m13 is the only alternative and its gote
njyvu [10k\]: maybe he thinks of l17 sente?
aussiemate [7k?\]: have to take the gote with the bate
njyvu [10k\]: this still gets nice points and he can enlargen e6 
]
(;B[kc]BL[1978.59]C[njyvu [10k\]: hah!
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: so black is conceding this area
OldGeezer [2d\]: but w too thick now :(
bengali: k17 :)
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: and w might be able to k17 still
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: hmm, no
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: maybe not
OldGeezer [2d\]: just l12 and be happy
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: wait, ya
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: k17 is ok i think
bengali: i wouldnt be happy with l12
njyvu [10k\]: m13 seems better to reduce aji
OldGeezer [2d\]: m13 leaves peep
]
;W[kh]WL[1622.513]C[njyvu [10k\]: but less aji at p11 
]
;B[ep]BL[1968.928]C[oasthouse [-\]: I think L15 would have worked better than M15...
bengali: he counted enough ?
OldGeezer [2d\]: l15 b k16 then what?
oasthouse [-\]: then k15
OldGeezer [2d\]: j17 ?
]
;W[eq]WL[1535.701]
(;B[ip]BL[1965.029]C[bengali: then k17 kills
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: ...
oasthouse [-\]: then k12 cut OldG
sidarta [5k\]: l5?
elh [5d\]: G6-8 fueron más severas de lo que me esperaba
]
;W[gn]WL[1461.268]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: b w would turn it into a semeai?
bengali: b moyo attempt just got forced
bengali: who's ahead ?
OldGeezer [2d\]: i prefer w after the l13 fiasco
oasthouse [-\]: I don't understand "b w would"
bengali: but white would
bengali: ?
OldGeezer [2d\]: yes
bengali: any idea where to go now ?
oasthouse [-\]: w would probably live somehow in that variation, but b would be in driving seat. And k16 would not be properly connected: any b stone around o15 would make b k17 cut work
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá me sentía optimista
]
;B[jo]BL[1657.212]
;W[hm]WL[1436.069]C[bengali: isnt b left side a bit weak with w's last move ?
Abe [3k\]: d11?
OldGeezer [2d\]: yes
]
(;B[bk]BL[1575.159]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: it was always very hard to make points with the center, it was too thin
oasthouse [-\]: yeah, b losing control
turntech [11k\]: would anyone be willing to give me a teaching game?
bengali: why not going toward connection at top ?
oasthouse [-\]: but w gave points
elh [5d\]: alguna alternativa a J4?
]
;W[hk]WL[1386.753]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: b9 was like i know i should defend, but i dont want to fall behind
oasthouse [-\]: b9 seems funny
Minotaur [2d\]: b e11 maybe
oasthouse [-\]: now w in driving seat
Abe [3k\]: b9 is a gote reduction? with a little potential in maneuvering around c11? 
Abe [3k\]: not a move I'd make :|
mithmartin [2d\]: b9 makes eyes space
elh [5d\]: bien Aníbal :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: :-)
Anibal [-\]: :-)
]
;B[bi]BL[1433.778]C[bengali: w can cut ? shishos looks ok to me
Abe [3k\]: elh looks too young for this kind of pressure :(
garibaldi [8k\]: lol
stay [2k\]: except for genius
]
;W[ch]WL[1296.178]
;B[bh]BL[1428.963]
;W[bg]WL[1292.215]C[Abe [3k\]: i stand corrected about b9, the b11 followup is good
OldGeezer [2d\]: ill have to check how this ends tomorrow, 4am already
OldGeezer [2d\]: b is not alive yet, w is totally controlling the direction of play
garibaldi [8k\]: gn
mithmartin [2d\]: easy for b to live..
mithmartin [2d\]: C5 sente..
]
;B[hj]BL[1349.306]
;W[gk]WL[1265.838]
;B[gj]BL[1344.954]C[stay [2k\]: guess which 2d should we listen to
sidarta [5k\]: m5
Minotaur [2d\]: but c5 sequence gives false eye
Abe [3k\]: both are right
Chmol [4d\]: b can start with f4
Chmol [4d\]: and then c5 gives real eye
OldGeezer [2d\]: you should not listen to any 2d, stick to 6d+
stay [2k\]: to me, live is not a problem
bengali: cut ?
stay [2k\]: 6d too complicated
Chmol [4d\]: I think b plans to attack w stones at g9
Denniskutl [?\]: they are connected?
sidarta [5k\]: l9
Chmol [4d\]: at the moment yes
Chmol [4d\]: but if b gets some move around that place, he could try g3
]
;W[fl]WL[1074.867]
;B[el]BL[1336.988]
;W[fj]WL[1072.246]
;B[ek]BL[1334.805]
;W[fi]WL[1070.521]C[Denniskutl [?\]: g3 f4
Chmol [4d\]: at the moment yes
Minotaur [2d\]: b managed to die ? lol
Demoneyes [4k\]: b isn't dead
Abe [3k\]: f4 f3 g3 looks playable to me
Denniskutl [?\]: f4 f3 g3 h4
underwaH [3d\]: f4 g3
stay [2k\]: b shoot himself
underwaH [3d\]: the safe way
]
;B[cj]BL[1251.388]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: b can live still, but it is miserable
bengali: a10 ? :)
underwaH [3d\]: a10 no need
underwaH [3d\]: w get one eye there
Abe [3k\]: d10 seems fine
Minotaur [2d\]: seems b lives just in time
Abe [3k\]: force b to make the d5 eye, securing bottom left for w in sente
santiago [3d\]: b should have played tengen
OldGeezer [2d\]: if b has to resort to f5 to live, its a big win for w
Abe [3k\]: geezer, go to bed :)
underwaH [3d\]: c5 b5 e5?
underwaH [3d\]: c5b5 d4 e5?
Chmol [4d\]: I think b will start with f4
Demoneyes [4k\]: i don't kno abe. it would make more sense to kill a huge group like that in goye
Minotaur [2d\]: w f4 in sente maybe ?
Chmol [4d\]: if he wants to create an eye therer
Demoneyes [4k\]: gote then to let it live just for sente
Demoneyes [4k\]: either way though, black will live
Abe [3k\]: can't be killed demon, b can make an eye at d10 or d5
stay [2k\]: b live there. w is thinking sth else
Demoneyes [4k\]: oh i was just saying that logic if flawed ;-)
Abe [3k\]: i agree with your philosophy though
sidarta [5k\]: n9
Mendieta [9k\]: does b live aftew w d10?
hikarugo [1d\]: n6
OldGeezer [2d\]: w should d10, it is a good exchange
xylix: W wants either the H10 stones or the K5 stones...
Demoneyes [4k\]: is* sorry stupid auto text
OldGeezer [2d\]: d10 f5
OldGeezer [2d\]: b alive but very miserable
Minotaur [2d\]: f4 rather
OldGeezer [2d\]: yes
OldGeezer [2d\]: f4 better
]
;W[ko]WL[696.227]C[turntech [11k\]: shouldnt white protect against the bottom
mithmartin [2d\]: b got j4 and b9, so not so miserable i think.. but i would be afraid of b stones in the center
Abe [3k\]: sheesh
Abe [3k\]: high dans are excellent at leaving situations unplayed
hikarugo [1d\]: w's side starts to feel good
bengali: because they think
Minotaur [2d\]: w move looks very strong
turntech [11k\]: would anyone like to give me a teaching game now?
xylix: Nothing more needs played, if W gets K5 or H10 he has pretty much won.
stay [2k\]: can b manage to kill w around g6?
]
;B[jm]BL[1118.763]C[stay [2k\]: b is working on that
Abe [3k\]: g6 is hard to cur from e3
Minotaur [2d\]: f4 sente then m5
Chmol [4d\]: I'm not sure about l5, k 7 seems to be a very good move for the center stones
Chmol [4d\]: I like that exchange for b
atarihuana [1d\]: yeah w thought too long :D
stay [2k\]: g6 in danger
]
;W[kp]WL[512.309]C[Vinicius [2d\]: J10 not safe either
OldGeezer [2d\]: l4 to prevent short libs?
Chmol [4d\]: l4 to connect at j3 Imo
OldGeezer [2d\]: yes, that too
]
;B[kn]BL[1048.62]
;W[ln]WL[506.175]
;B[lm]BL[1041.507]
;W[mm]WL[503.395]C[bengali: b position completly broken
Abe [3k\]: snazzy double hane
OldGeezer [2d\]: if this were tygem i would be all my fake money on w
bengali: not double hane
Minotaur [2d\]: second L&D problem for b
OldGeezer [2d\]: bet*
]
;B[ll]BL[944.464]C[quo [-\]: w is better
stay [2k\]: m8 too passive
Chmol [4d\]: m8 fine imo
Chmol [4d\]: no real other choice and good shape
Minotaur [2d\]: m8, what else
bengali: nespresso ?
Minotaur [2d\]: maybe :)
bengali: ok i go out
sidarta [5k\]: j6
Abe [3k\]: maybe j3
Minotaur [2d\]: j6 can't be bad
stay [2k\]: w may be killed
bengali: r2
Denniskutl [?\]: l9
]
;W[nl]WL[247.036]C[Minotaur [2d\]: wow
Phage [1d\]: w 1 group
Minotaur [2d\]: is it "i kill you anyway" ?
Anibal [-\]: 5 in line
bengali: w wants to be in textbooks
]
;B[nj]BL[879.987]C[gondwana [5k\]: w is already in textbooks
aguilar1 [6d\]: esto fue hábil
]
;W[oj]WL[235.665]C[Chmol [4d\]: b has to be carefull, w still has moves like f4 sente against left group
Minotaur [2d\]: yes
]
;B[ml]BL[838.136]C[lepore [1d\]: does ugly b f4 move work?
Abe [3k\]: it works to make an eye
stay [2k\]: i like f4
Minotaur [2d\]: to live yes
]
;W[nm]WL[192.389]C[lepore [1d\]: i mean to cut 
Minotaur [2d\]: no
Minotaur [2d\]: course not
xylix: Will W take consolation prize at p4?
stay [2k\]: f4 may kill g6
Abe [3k\]: i thought it might too :(
Abe [3k\]: but f4 g3 works
Minotaur [2d\]: f4 g3
mithmartin [2d\]: l9 lives?
mithmartin [2d\]: no :P sorry
anicca [2d\]: is this a tournament?
Chmol [4d\]: I'm not sure they'll play g3, it not a clean move. I think f3 works at the moment
stay [2k\]: g3 good for b
Chmol [4d\]: I mean in answer to b f4
Abe [3k\]: ah I think you're right chmol
Abe [3k\]: before, f3 was dangerous, before white for the l4 and l5 stones
Nuriko [2k\]: might F5 instead of F4 work?
Minotaur [2d\]: just j9 is not ok ?
]
;B[nk]BL[549.526]C[sidarta [5k\]: seems w is very ahead now
Minotaur [2d\]: LR is not pretty neat either, much aji
stay [2k\]: b not too bad
theveteran [1d\]: who is winning?
Minotaur [2d\]: w
stay [2k\]: we the visitors are winning
sidarta [5k\]: impossible r17, it isnt?
Nuriko [2k\]: I like stay's answer
mithmartin [2d\]: 1 a 1, Anibal
]
(;W[mi]WL[876.812]OW[24]C[Abe [3k\]: yes, sid
Chmol [4d\]: I think if b lives without more damages in the center, game is even
Chmol [4d\]: b had the lead before these fights Imo
mithmartin [2d\]: l9 
Minotaur [2d\]: b has no point but in UR
Chmol [4d\]: same for w
Minotaur [2d\]: and a little UL
Chmol [4d\]: lower right can be points too
Chmol [4d\]: if he gets r2 it can be 15 points
Minotaur [2d\]: w r2 is probably sente
Minotaur [2d\]: too much aji
stay [2k\]: b has to respond here?
elh [5d\]: lástima que erré el final de la secuencia
elh [5d\]: L10?
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta fue dudosa
]
(;B[ji]BL[396.664]C[stay [2k\]: b center already live
]
(;W[lg]WL[834.645]OW[23]C[Abe [3k\]: now w can k17
Vinicius [2d\]: why M13??
mithmartin [2d\]: dont understand M13
Minotaur [2d\]: for k17
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: possibly a probe
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: to see how b connects
bakhtiari [1d\]: sente(?)
tuyi [3d\]: k16
Nuriko [2k\]: was K11 for life?
Minotaur [2d\]: yes
Chmol [4d\]: sente, but without it w already could direclty play m17
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: k16 leaves a cut
mithmartin [2d\]: b can tenuki? its very big but..
Minotaur [2d\]: maybe b r2
Chmol [4d\]: maybe w thinks it helps agaist b k11, but otherwise I think m13 has no point
mithmartin [2d\]: yeah, R2, J2 also big
theveteran [1d\]: s11 
Minotaur [2d\]: h3 better than j2 i think
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta fue apresurada
]
;B[jc]BL[158.606]C[Minotaur [2d\]: well idk
]
;W[in]WL[822.358]OW[22]C[Mendieta [9k\]: e7 and j10 live?
]
;B[jn]BL[152.602]C[Minotaur [2d\]: L9 lol
Nuriko [2k\]: I think E7's safe enough till G6 is more secure
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá me di cuenta de que el grupo vivía
aguilar1 [6d\]: y por lo tanto M13 fue demasiado sólida
elh [5d\]: vivía?
aguilar1 [6d\]: creo que sí
elh [5d\]: a ver, a ver
]
;W[dj]WL[710.549]OW[21]C[Nuriko [2k\]: but we'll see now
stay [2k\]: c5
]
(;B[fp]BL[115.054]C[tuyi [3d\]: its just to can play j3 i think
njyvu [10k\]: hmm nota10 first to make that eye for sure?
Vinicius [2d\]: that is already an eye
Nuriko [2k\]: that eye's already made
]
;W[fq]WL[608.48]OW[20]C[stay [2k\]: g3 cut
Nuriko [2k\]: a10 a9 a12 b10 a13 a11
Chmol [4d\]: no
Chmol [4d\]: g3 doesn't work directly
Chmol [4d\]: and f3 was cleaner than g3 for w right now
Abe [3k\]: g3 h4 h3 j3
Nuriko [2k\]: c5 b5 d4 and life?
stay [2k\]: g5?
njyvu [10k\]: ah yes didnt consider b10
mithmartin [2d\]: can b h3 first?
]
;B[co]BL[25.01]C[mithmartin [2d\]: seems not :(
elh [5d\]: pero también puede ser mochikomi
]
;W[bo]WL[586.376]OW[19]
;B[dp]BL[21.387]
;W[fo]WL[583.921]OW[18]C[elh [5d\]: en la partida, creo que lo sería
aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
]
;B[eo]BL[12.352]C[stay [2k\]: over
]
;W[ah]WL[570.911]OW[17]
(;B[aj]BL[1.051]C[Chmol [4d\]: strange
Chmol [4d\]: I thought b would c34
Chmol [4d\]: c3
Chmol [4d\]: then g3
Chmol [4d\]: if w didn't protect
tuyi [3d\]: nnnnow j 3
Abe [3k\]: i wonder about k8
]
;W[iq]WL[511.705]OW[16]C[HotToTrot [1d\]: c3 doe slook fun
HotToTrot [1d\]: i thought he would play that too
Chmol [4d\]: now too late
Minotaur [2d\]: r2 now
stay [2k\]: w 100 secured
sidarta [5k\]: o14?
]
;B[qr]BL[817.67]OB[24]
;W[no]WL[499.954]OW[15]C[lepore [1d\]: b middle group alive?
Chmol [4d\]: I think b is a few points ahead
Chmol [4d\]: but very close now
Minotaur [2d\]: but w yose will be better so
Chmol [4d\]: not sure
Chmol [4d\]: elh is a pure territorial player
]
;B[fe]BL[739.907]OB[23]C[Chmol [4d\]: territorial players usually are good at yose
]
;W[ff]WL[491.801]OW[14]C[Nuriko [2k\]: they'd better be
]
;B[ef]BL[702.207]OB[22]C[Abe [3k\]: ha nice :D
]
;W[fg]WL[448.859]OW[13]C[tuyi [3d\]: w 70- b 63
]
;B[ee]BL[678.245]OB[21]
;W[bd]WL[443.031]OW[12]C[njyvu [10k\]: what to play after n10 n9 k9 ?
lepore [1d\]: i think closer than 7 points
mithmartin [2d\]: h18
Chmol [4d\]: In my approximate counting I've b 2 points ahead tuyi
]
;B[dg]BL[589.597]OB[20]C[stay [2k\]: d13 good
]
;W[cg]WL[427.123]OW[11]
;B[de]BL[584.948]OB[19]
;W[cf]WL[420.331]OW[10]C[Abe [3k\]: yeah these are nice
]
;B[eg]BL[580.179]OB[18]
;W[eh]WL[410.408]OW[9]C[Minotaur [2d\]: P2
Chmol [4d\]: does s 11 work for b?
barcodmas [13k\]: can't w just hane?
]
(;B[hb]BL[506.984]OB[17]
;W[mj]WL[404.469]OW[8]
(;B[mk]BL[499.601]OB[16]C[elh [5d\]: Blanco puede optar por capturar M8 a cambio de H9?
]
;W[kl]WL[398.285]OW[7]C[Arhiman [3d?\]: s11 s10 r10 s12 q11 r12 q12 s13 ?
Chmol [4d\]: yes, looks like it doesn't work
Mendieta [9k\]: if center lives, wich I doubt, b wins
Nuriko [2k\]: big misread if it doesn't
lepore [1d\]: ahem - see my comment at move 126... (pats self on back)
barcodmas [13k\]: yup that would be a disaster for b
stay [2k\]: l9?
Nuriko [2k\]: they've left it alone for the longest time
Chmol [4d\]: Imo it's alive, but b will lose some points
Arhiman [3d?\]: just l9 ?
Vinicius [2d\]: looks dead o.o
dpdemick [3k\]: ko?
Minotaur [2d\]: what do you answer ? L9 ?
barcodmas [13k\]: i dont see how w can capture the future L8 without it causing w to move to remove eyes
ergsd: l9
bengali: l9 ok
Denniskutl [?\]: l9 k9
stay [2k\]: k9 may ko
tuyi [3d\]: i think ko
dpdemick [3k\]: y
Abe [3k\]: l9 k8 j8 j9 k9 j7 ...?
barcodmas [13k\]: w is gonna need a pretty damn big threat <__<
Chmol [4d\]: yes, not sure b can avoid a ko
xylix: W only needs a threat big enough to win the game =).
Tiger5k [4d\]: ko
Minotaur [2d\]: if ko, b loses the game
Sckiros974 [6k\]: alive
Vinicius [2d\]: where ko?
Sckiros974 [6k\]: can't kill
suechan [5d\]: l9 
suechan [5d\]: b alive
Arhiman [3d?\]: l9 k9 j9 ?
Abe [3k\]: time pressure growing
Vinicius [2d\]: L9 K8 looks dead
Nuriko [2k\]: l9 k9 k8, I think
Sckiros974 [6k\]: J9
Arhiman [3d?\]: l9 k9 k8 is ko
mithmartin [2d\]: L9 K8?
Vinicius [2d\]: L9 K8 J8 K9 etc
sidarta [5k\]: h5 ?
Denniskutl [?\]: l9 k9 j9 l10?
]
(;B[kk]BL[172.557]OB[15]
;W[jk]WL[392.165]OW[6]C[Sckiros974 [6k\]: J7
Arhiman [3d?\]: l9 k8 j8 j9 k9 j7 l11 ?
Nuriko [2k\]: k8, nothing for it
Arhiman [3d?\]: j9
barcodmas [13k\]: what does w do if b does J9?
barcodmas [13k\]: why wouldnt b do j9?
Denniskutl [?\]: j9 l10
barcodmas [13k\]: oh ko
xylix: W+time
barcodmas [13k\]: but does ko mean 100% death for b there?
dpdemick [3k\]: y
sidarta [5k\]: yes, time
Abe [3k\]: 5 sec/move now
]
;B[ik]BL[67.033]OB[14]C[xylix: Clock = 100% death now.
]
;W[kj]WL[386.724]OW[5]C[njyvu [10k\]: well b had the chance 345345 to fix this..
dpdemick [3k\]: if w fills ko, no room for 2 eyes
Arhiman [3d?\]: ko means 100% big loss
Minotaur [2d\]: no death but b loses game
Vinicius [2d\]: k8 killed 95% sure
elh [5d\]: parece que gana algunos puntos, porque elimina el territorio central negro
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá ya es ko
]
;B[ki]BL[53.468]OB[13]
;W[lk]WL[382.436]OW[4]
;B[li]BL[46.803]OB[12]C[dpdemick [3k\]: whoa
Nuriko [2k\]: !
Arhiman [3d?\]: dead shape ?
Tiger5k [4d\]: L9
Minotaur [2d\]: yes
juangordon [9k\]: seki?
Mendieta [9k\]: dead after l9
lu2d [2k\]: l7
Arhiman [3d?\]: is j8 sente for b ?
sidarta [5k\]: o11 
Abe [3k\]: i think j8 is
lu2d [2k\]: ko or lose
dpdemick [3k\]: l9
Chmol [4d\]: lose on time pressure :(
barcodmas [13k\]: or both ko and lose
Denniskutl [?\]: o11 l7 j8 safe win
Denniskutl [?\]: i mean  just o11
Chmol [4d\]: o 11 let b do the ko 
juangordon [9k\]: o11 is urgent
Denniskutl [?\]: yes
Chmol [4d\]: while now w can connect in sente
stay [2k\]: l9 simply kill?
Abe [3k\]: maybe aguilar is just giving b some time to think out of sympathy
dpdemick [3k\]: yep
Nuriko [2k\]: still bad for B, just on time
]
;W[kk]WL[164.903]OW[3]C[dpdemick [3k\]: I don't see how b gets out if w l9
Chmol [4d\]: since l9 is a direct threat to l7
]
;B[hl]BL[42.075]OB[11]C[sdbg [1k\]: 4s/move
Chmol [4d\]: I don't think b can live
barcodmas [13k\]: this is gonna be goood
stay [2k\]: live
Arhiman [3d?\]: death
Denniskutl [?\]: l7
barcodmas [13k\]: yeah why not L7 for w? <__<
gluiwiya [3k\]: ??
dpdemick [3k\]: maybe it's enough for white to just kill some
Mendieta [9k\]: b has h5 ?
Vinicius [2d\]: aiming at H5
]
;W[gl]WL[95.626]OW[2]C[dpdemick [3k\]: get 15 pts
]
;B[il]BL[39.597]OB[10]C[ergsd: l7
dpdemick [3k\]: well, not now
lu2d [2k\]: wth
Vinicius [2d\]: uhm ?_?
Arhiman [3d?\]: g5
Chmol [4d\]: h4
]
;W[hp]WL[74.356]OW[1]
;B[ni]BL[35.358]OB[9]C[stay [2k\]: LIVE
dpdemick [3k\]: no
barcodmas [13k\]: why not L7!
Arhiman [3d?\]: no
]
;W[mh]WL[900]OW[25]
;B[dh]BL[90.499]OB[8]C[ergsd: l7 ...!
sdbg [1k\]: 0o so much time again
barcodmas [13k\]: oh i see is it already dead in b eyes?
Chmol [4d\]: he had to protect against g7
]
;W[di]WL[896.043]OW[24]C[andreslamb [3k\]: xd
dpdemick [3k\]: wow
Arhiman [3d?\]: nice aguilar gives some time
Elscouta [2d\]: w doesn't need l7, but i'd play it just to be sure -_-
ozjohn [5k\]: death throes
Arhiman [3d?\]: s11 might work now though :)
Limbert [?\]: .. nakade in center?
Abe [3k\]: very classy
ergsd: dead shape
elh [5d\]: gracis
aguilar1 [6d\]: muchas gracias
elh [5d\]: gracias
barcodmas [13k\]: awesome
Arhiman [3d?\]: nice game both
Mendieta [9k\]: muy buena partida!
Abe [3k\]: good game
juangordon [9k\]: Muy buen juego
bengali: nice game thx
stay [2k\]: good game
Mendieta [9k\]: felicitaciones Fernando
aguilar1 [6d\]: la vemos?
elh [5d\]: sí, por favor
smontiel [1d\]: bravo!
buffalo [7k\]: ay paren!
aguilar1 [6d\]: bueno, esto fue todo
elh [5d\]: gracias de nuevo
mithmartin [2d\]: gracias
aguilar1 [6d\]: igualmente, gracias por la partida y el review
aguilar1 [6d\]: nos vemos
Anibal [-\]: gracias por la revisión
Anibal [-\]: buenas noches
elh [5d\]: hasta pronto, y salú la barra
Anibal [-\]: y buenos buenos días 
Anibal [-\]: :-)
])
(;B[ik]C[Mendieta [9k\]: gracias por la partida y la revisión :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
]
;W[kk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, lo mismo
]))
(;B[il]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá hay algo alternativo?
elh [5d\]: L10 parece mortal
aguilar1 [6d\]: parece que esta era la última oportunidad
]
(;W[kj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
elh [5d\]: sí
]
;B[ik]C[elh [5d\]: defiende, no afecta
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es sente, no?
]
;W[hp]C[elh [5d\]: ah, L9
]
;B[kk]C[elh [5d\]: así vive, mirá vos
])
(;W[mk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: probablemente jugaría así
]
;B[ik]
;W[hp]
;B[kk]C[elh [5d\]: no sé quién sale ganando
Anibal [-\]: blanco no captura...
elh [5d\]: probablemente Negro?
Anibal [-\]: juega L8 como antes
]
;W[op]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así tal vez sería la secuencia
elh [5d\]: así está muy parejo
aguilar1 [6d\]: sigo contando un poquito mejor Negro
elh [5d\]: sí, pero menos que antes
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí, puede ser
])
(;W[kl]C[elh [5d\]: ajá
]
(;B[ik]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: igual
Anibal [-\]: l9?
]
;W[kk]
;B[hl]
(;W[gl]
;B[gm]
;W[fm]
;B[fn]
;W[gm]
;B[go]C[Anibal [-\]: oohh
Anibal [-\]: hay damezumari de blanco en g6
Anibal [-\]: OK
])
(;W[km]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
elh [5d\]: sí
aguilar1 [6d\]: puede ser
]))
(;B[kk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá primero?
elh [5d\]: evitando la variante
aguilar1 [6d\]: claro
]))
(;W[kk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: parecería que esta es mejor
]
;B[kl]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, lo mismo
])))
(;B[il]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
elh [5d\]: sí, claro :)
]
;W[gb]
;B[ab]C[elh [5d\]: si me hubiera avivado
aguilar1 [6d\]: cómo está la partida?
Mendieta [9k\]: segun se w+3,5
Mendieta [9k\]: SE
aguilar1 [6d\]: cuento unos 60 para Negro
elh [5d\]: a mí me parece que Negro está un poquito mejor
Anibal [-\]: negro debería tratar de hacer vivir el grupo del centro en sente
aguilar1 [6d\]: Blanco 50 más komi
aguilar1 [6d\]: vivir en sente es mucho pedir
Anibal [-\]: estoy tratando de leer J7
Anibal [-\]: :-)
aguilar1 [6d\]: parece un yose difícil para Blanco este
Mendieta [9k\]: y h5 para negro?
])
(;B[im]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: Blanco puede hacer tenuki si quiere
Anibal [-\]: claro
elh [5d\]: sí, y con el aji que deja esta, no sé si vale la pena
])
(;B[ho]
;W[go]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: no pasa nada
Mendieta [9k\]: ok
]))
(;B[ho]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es kikashi antes de vivir
]
;W[go]
;B[aj]
;W[mj]
;B[mk]
;W[kl]
;B[im]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: vive, no?
]
;W[hn]
(;B[ki]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, no
]
;W[jk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: :-(
quo [-\]: l9
Mendieta [9k\]: está como para mandarlo a goproblems.com
Mendieta [9k\]: con la solución, por supuesto :)
])
(;B[ni])
(;B[ol]
;W[no]
;B[ni]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
]
;W[nh]
(;B[li]C[elh [5d\]: mm... creo que no
Mendieta [9k\]: o12 m11 n12 l11 n13 n12 
]
;W[jk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: lo mismo
elh [5d\]: K11 fue demasiada mala forma
]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]
;B[ik]
;W[kk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: bueno, era más difícil para Negro de lo que yuo creía
])
(;B[jk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
elh [5d\]: L10
Mendieta [9k\]: l9 no mata?
]
(;W[kj]
;B[li]C[Mendieta [9k\]: l9 
elh [5d\]: interesante
]
;W[mh]
;B[ki]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]
;W[il]
;B[jl]C[Mendieta [9k\]: seki?
aguilar1 [6d\]: seki
])
(;W[kk]
;B[li]
;W[mh]
;B[ki]C[Mendieta [9k\]: m9 primero
]
;W[lk]
;B[km]
;W[kj]C[Mendieta [9k\]: eso
aguilar1 [6d\]: claro
Mendieta [9k\]: voy entendiendo algo
])))))
(;B[bf]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá primero?
elh [5d\]: hace diferencia?
]
;W[cg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: kikashi
elh [5d\]: ok
]))
(;W[jc]C[elh [5d\]: claro
aguilar1 [6d\]: acá primero?
elh [5d\]: M13 la agradecí
aguilar1 [6d\]: claro
]))
(;B[ni]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es muy molesta
]
;W[nh]
(;B[kj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: sí parece buena
aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, es más o menos lo mismo
]
;W[mj]
;B[mk]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]
;W[jl]
;B[il]
;W[ik]
;B[jk]
;W[im]
;B[km]
;W[jl]C[elh [5d\]: a ver entonces, cuál era la jugada para vivir?
mithmartin [2d\]: L9 en lugar de L10?
])
(;B[kk]C[mithmartin [2d\]: antes de O11 ;)
]
(;W[jj]
;B[ji]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: claro, así vive
elh [5d\]: y blanco K8 en vez de K10?
])
(;W[jl]
;B[il]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: lo mismo
elh [5d\]: ah, no hay jugada, ok
elh [5d\]: gol de Martín
]))))
(;W[jk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
Anibal [-\]: :-)
elh [5d\]: J9?
]
;B[ik]
;W[in]
;B[jn]
;W[jl]
;B[il]
;W[jj]C[mithmartin [2d\]: J7 damezumari
]
;B[im]
;W[go]C[mithmartin [2d\]: ah, igual :(
aguilar1 [6d\]: la verdad, no creo que muera el grupo
elh [5d\]: hay que tirarse a un semeai con N12?
aguilar1 [6d\]: hay varias cosas para analizar
aguilar1 [6d\]: me da la impresión de que el grupo tiene suficientes recursos
elh [5d\]: las últimas palabras de Cho Chikun
])
(;W[jc]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: probablemente, lol mejor sea dejar las cosas como están, y seguir acá
]))
(;B[hk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
Anibal [-\]: yo pens'e que ah'i negro podía empujar desde arriba en h5 y hacer puntos en el centro
elh [5d\]: y sí
Anibal [-\]: en vez de j4
]))
(;B[ho]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
elh [5d\]: es posible
Anibal [-\]: s;i
aguilar1 [6d\]: interesante
aguilar1 [6d\]: parece buena
elh [5d\]: le da más puntos a Blanco a cambio de impedirle resistir
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
]
;W[jo]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: si Blanco se resiste, esta es la jugada
]
;B[hp]
;W[gq]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: probablemente jugaría así
elh [5d\]: ahora B9:
]
;B[bk]C[elh [5d\]: Negro está mucho más cómodo en el centro
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
]))
(;B[kh]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
]
;W[ki]
;B[lg]
;W[mg]C[elh [5d\]: no me gustaba la lucha
]
;B[mf]
;W[jh]
;B[lf]
;W[li]
;B[kj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así simplemente
elh [5d\]: ah
elh [5d\]: lo pensé, pero b K11 y queda el degiri
aguilar1 [6d\]: entiendo
]))
(;B[kg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: sí, pensé que ibas a jugar esta
]
;W[lg]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: difícil saber qué pasa
aguilar1 [6d\]: pero me daba la impresión de que mis piedras del entorno trabajaban
elh [5d\]: yo tampoco pude leerlo a fondo, y al final lo dejé
]
;B[mc]
(;W[kc]
;B[kh]
;W[ki]
;B[ji]C[elh [5d\]: es el tipo de posiciones en el que jamás te gano :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: :-)
aguilar1 [6d\]: de todos modos, está difícil
elh [5d\]: sí
])
(;W[ic]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: tal vez hay que jugar acá
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta era mi duda, justamente
aguilar1 [6d\]: ah, no
])
(;W[kh]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: este punto es importante
aguilar1 [6d\]: si Blanco gana atsumi en el centro, puede pelear abajo
elh [5d\]: ajá
aguilar1 [6d\]: en la partida, gané atsumi, pero en gote
])))
(;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[ip]C[elh [5d\]: ni se me ocurrió :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: lo mismo que hicister después, por ejemplo
]))
(;W[fe]C[elh [5d\]: ¿atacar antes de defender?
aguilar1 [6d\]: si jugaba al toque, hubiera hecho esta
])
(;W[gg]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: después pensé esta
]
;B[ih]C[elh [5d\]: es muy fácil para Negro, no?
aguilar1 [6d\]: entonces me di cuenta de que este punto era importante
aguilar1 [6d\]: es lo que Sun Tzu llama "terreno de interesección"
]))
(;B[gc]
;W[id]C[elh [5d\]: no me gustaba arrastrarme porque le daba aire a P11
]
;B[nh]
;W[oh]
;B[lh]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así?
elh [5d\]: este es el tipo de luchas que no sé jugar :(
aguilar1 [6d\]: ah
aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
]))
(;B[qk]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: supuse que ibas a jugar así
]
(;W[re]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: y pensaba jugar esto
elh [5d\]: en ese caso quizá habría jugado así :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: vos qué esperabas?
elh [5d\]: no me gustaba algo más ceerca, como S16
aguilar1 [6d\]: ah
])
(;W[rd]C[bengali: s16 easy cut ?
]
;B[rf]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá?
elh [5d\]: s\]i, ya sé que se peleable, pero no quiería pelear... todavía
aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
])))
